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Enlightening. Thanks, time loop master!
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Wow, that was a lot of great information,, hmm I love reading time travel loop stories, thanks for sharing. ~~How are you all doing on staying at home?, Is there grocery near to resupply Akemis pizzas, yum!
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Fabulous master class! I really enjoyed your exposition on what makes a good time loop story, especially since you cited material with which I am familiar. I sort of felt like a fish attending a course on how to be a successful fisherman – except that I enjoy getting caught, but I can’t say the same for the fish. Thank you for taking the time to do that. As a sometimes participant in fanfic challenges, that gives me a successful model to try to incorporate into my repertoire.
I’m still here and presumably virus free.
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Wow, I really like this post, I think it’s my favourite. It tickles something related to what I’m reading. I’m reading “Becoming a Change Artist” by Gerald M Weinberg he’s a brilliant system’s thinker that’s influenced our engineering and software development world, he’s discussing different change theory models and I notice references story themes, plots etc. of course along with ‘real’ life. Part of this narrative reminds me of some of the themes he covers. If you like reading about patterns of human behaviour, human systems, the patterns that run us, even though it’s not your domain, you might appreciate a different angle to looking at human narratives or patterns.
I get a real joy in finding a story narrative in fiction and see if it can parallel something or be a took in the real world to make change.
I really like the insights you share – and now you have given me a whole bunch of shows to watch and check it against this ‘structural narrative’ you’ve shared and see for myself if it plays out. Nice!
Have you ever shared your top 10 favourite tv shows?
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I love a good time loop. I love a good apocalypse, too, but I understand if that’s lost its novelty.
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Once a month, the GateWorld Forum does a theme weekend for fun and this weekend is Dark Matter to coincide with your rewatch. I am the one who came up with the ranks and reps and submitted the theme. On Monday, when the ranks and reps return to normal, the ranks and reps for the theme will be posted.
https://forum.gateworld.net/threads/94272-April-Theme-Dark-Matter-April-10th-12th-2020
I just thought you would like to know about it since it’s Dark Matter and you have a rewatch going on.
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Thanks for this!
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Time Loop and time travel movies and TV shows have always fascinated me. From The Butterfly Effect to Ground Hog Day. (Which is one of my favorite movies of all time. I own a copy and still watch it whenever I see it on TV.)
The Stargate episode was brilliant and this latest time loop story from Dark Mater eclipses that. The humor and frustration of our protagonist and the growth he undergoes is a very satisfying part of the plot line. Similar to how Bill Murray’s character undergoes a transformation in his repeating loops.
Another variation on a repeating time loop, although only one big loop, was the show Millennium. A brilliant show with a very bittersweet but necessary and satisfying ending of the series. As with Dark Matter I wish it didn’t have to end. -
Time travel stories and time loop episodes are my very favorite as well! I wrote you a while ago regarding All The Time episode and of course I noticed several uses of Time Travel and alternate universes on Dark Matter. These conventions excite me and nothing else fires up my imagination than these subjects. I’m working on several Time travel stories myself and am a huge fan of Terry’s work on 12 Monkeys. Thanks for this post, it’s fantastic and a super read.
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Nice, thanks. Always have loved time loop/ time travel sci fi.
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That’s really interesting, Joe. It makes a lot of sense and not all writers do time travel stuff well.
I had this crazy dream one night a few months ago that was actually a time loop story! The weird thing about the dream is that I wasn’t a participant, just watching as if it was a movie. I can’t remember a lot of the details now, but I remember it had a setting that was kind of GoT/fantasy world that was a bit medieval, starting with this guy (the protagonist? I can’t remember) that had just escaped some kind of jail. He was being pursued by another group (his captors?) and the story basically had them chasing him cross country.
Near the end, they capture him and ended up back in the exact same situation in jail, then escaping. His captors give chase again, only to realize that they too are now reliving the same events. The last thing I remember in the dream is the captors believing that the only way for them to break out of the loop – was to kill the guy they were chasing and thus break the loop. Then I woke up. I sat up in bed and was like, “what the hell?”
I had finished reading the book “Half a King” a few months before, so perhaps that chase story was still in my head somewhere. Anyway, crazy stuff.
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Merci! Très très intéressant!
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A few friends of mine and I have been putting together an idea for the Arisia convention: a panel on time-loop stories! So thank you for this.
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If you haven’t taken the time to do so, I thoroughly recommend 12 Monkeys, the series – one episode in particular is a time loop episode that is fantastic, plus there’s all kinds of time travel shenanigans throughout the four season run, inlcuding other time loops that have a broader role than being the framework for one particular episode.
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Bravo!
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Nice post, Joe. Another example of a time-loop where the reset rule is broken can be found in Eureka. (Carter is looping on Stark’s and Allison’s wedding day. )












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