So I walked into the office the other day to discover a glowering Carl seated at his desk.  Now, usually, it takes him the better part of the morning to work his way up to a full glower but, on this particular day, Carl was already there the second I walked in.  When I asked him what was up, he informed me that he might have to start boycotting my blog because, in his opinion, some of the fan comments had crossed the line.  While he is all for constructive criticism, he apparently takes exception when fans start labeling characters “whores” or suggesting the producers should consider killing off certain characters, especially when its common knowledge that the actors playing said characters check out the blog.  And not only the actors, but their immediate family as well.

Sadly, the negativity has also taken its toll on one-time regular Sherry, proud mother of actor Brian J. Smith, who, surprised and saddened by some of the hostility here, has elected to no longer read the blog.  Also, after several months of connecting with fandom online, Brian is stepping away from his popular twitter account for much the same reason.  Some of the very same fans who he was kind enough to open up a dialogue with in the run-up to the premiere started leaving him nasty comments as though he was responsible for the show’s creative direction.  I imagine that if Robert Carlyle was on twitter, these same morons would be berating him for being mean to his fellow Destiny crew members.

I find myself in an awkward position.  On the one hand, I want to keep this blog’s comment section open to differing opinions and allow fans to express their honest feelings about the show; on the other hand, I don’t want it to turn into a battleground where fans can feel free to insult the production, its personal, and each other.  I have to walk a very fine line and, sometimes, I will let a comment through that may be deemed borderline in order to respond to a “distilled” representation of an oft-repeated opinion.

For the most part, I don’t think it’s gotten all that bad here (I’ve read worse on other forums and even moderated worse).  Still, I’d suggest that anyone looking to post a critical comment consider their wording – not their opinion, but the way in which they express said opinion.  Sometimes, you can be offensive without even meaning to.  And, when this happens, rather making a good point, you risk alienating the very people you’re trying to convince.

For example, amidst all of the ongoing discussion about the Scott-James scene in the pilot, the Scott-Chloe scene in Light, and the burgeoning relationship between Scott and Chloe, someone here referred to Chloe as a whore.  Now never mind the fact that we have only seen the Chloe character be intimate with all of one other character so far, and this only after bonding with him following the loss of her father and as both faced what seemed like certain death and thus took advantage of the only opportunity they would have to be together.  So how do you think someone on the production would react to such a comment?  Would they stop and consider the message at the heart of it?  Unfortunately, no.  They dismiss the poster and her opinion as extreme and move on.

Also realize – if it hasn’t become apparent by now – that we love our cast and are very protective of them.  Trust me when I say that there’s no better way to guarantee a character’s long and fruitful stay on a show than to insist we get rid of them.  Keep in mind that the simple fact others in your particular online niche share an opinion doesn’t make it the prevailing attitude among the show’s viewers.

In order to head off any potential frustration on the part of those who are unhappy with SGU’s direction, allow me to make a few points that may save you time and effort in any attempt to change some of the creative choices we’ve made.

SGU is NOT SG-1 or Atlantis.  It’s a different show in terms of tone and characters.  If you’re expecting flawless people, square-jawed heroes, and stories that set up and deliver all the answers over the course of a forty-five minute episode, you WILL be disappointed.  And DON’T expect that to change.  If you don’t like the character interactions, romance, and open-ended story elements introduced to date, you’re in for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong haul because that’s our show.

Unlike the more kid-friendly SG-1 and Atlantis with its wholesale slaughters of enemy combatants, tortures, stabbings, and occasional live burnings, Universe will touch on the heinous topic of physically intimacy.  These “sex scenes”, which amounted to approximately 1 whole minute of the 270 minutes aired to date, engendered a fair amount of controversy.  And that’s fine.  I don’t mind continuing to read and approve your comments on the subject so long as you don’t mind knowing that nothing will change in this respect and that if you were offended by that broom closet scene in Air I, I guarantee you’ll be clawing your eyes out of your skull given what we have in store later this season.  Also, while I can understand why some may have had a problem with that broom-closet scene in the premiere given that it did come as a surprise to many, I can’t muster up much empathy or understanding for those complaining about the Scott-Chloe scene in Light.  Again, if it’s a matter of not enjoying shows that focus on the occasional romance between characters, then that’s unfortunate – because that’s the type of show you’re watching.  If, on the other hand, it’s an innate response to the very notion of intimacy no matter how modest the scene, then I’d suggest a deep-rooted personal issue that would be best dealt with somewhere other than this blog.

Finally, some words of advice – words of advice not so much for those of you here but those leaving comments on other forums and websites (if you would be kind enough to pass the message along): STOP MAKING IDIOT COMMENTS.  Note I didn’t say idiotic comments because that would imply that the lion’s share of the idiocy lies with the comment itself rather than the commentator.  No, I mean: STOP MAKING IDIOT COMMENTS.

For example, say you have a problem with the James scene in Darkness in which she threatens Riley and Eli after they try spying on her with the kino.  You can go ahead and make an argument for the scene being sexist (although I’d argue that there’s a difference between the scene being sexist and the characters in the scene acting inappropriately, especially given that a clearly disappointed Young admonishes both men), but if, in the body of your comment or any subsequent comment, you refer to the James character as Lieutenant Rack or McBoobs, then you’re a hypocrite who has successfully undermined their argument by demonstrating you can’t be taken seriously.  Also, you’re an idiot.

If you want to express your opinion and argue why you feel that scene was sexist, then by all means do so.  If, however, you dismiss anyone expressing a differing opinion, despite the fact that they go through the trouble of presenting a cogent counter- argument, simply on the basis of their sex  (“Oh, look ! Another privilege man trying to tell us woman that something is not sexist ! Wow, what a surprise ! What a shock ! What a revelation !” – compliments of one grade school level narow-minded poster here: xxx), why bother posting on a public forum.  Rather, pick a private sub-forum where everyone is guaranteed to agree with your opinion or, better yet, imagine you live in a wonderful world where everyone thinks you’re brilliant and sees eye to eye with you on everything.

Hmmm.  A lot less ranty than I’d expected two days ago when I had originally planned to tackle this topic.  Still, ranty enough to ensure some thin-skinned faction of fandom will be whining and stomping its feet in response.

Hey, while you‘re here, check out a behind-the-scenes vid from Water:

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Marie
Marie

I was very sorry to read that you have been receiving really “rotten” comments about SGU. This really isn’t the spot for that. It’s almost like telling a parent that their child is ugly. How rude of people. No bad comments from me on SGU. Never happen.

Elminster
Elminster

Hear! Hear! Right on Joe!

Elminster

jimbo

Hello, a shame that people are not being respectful..

While I understand the circumstances in SGU are different than those in the previous series, I enjoyed the humor shown in those series. Is there is a chance for some humor to be shown in upcoming episodes?

Arctic Goddess

Hi Joe:

Cool video. What was the stuff flying around that was supposed to look like snow? Also, did you guys ever consider doing a “cold set” like you did on Continuum?

Patricia

noelm
noelm

Well said, Joe.

I am really enjoying the show. Don’t change a thing.

Matt Newbould
Matt Newbould

Not every fan makes these comments or feels like this about the series, for every post on the forums making idiotic comments there are tons talking about the good points of SGU and how much people love it. Not all Stargate fans can be held responsible for the actions of idiots.

Still i’m sad to hear you feel this way and i hope some positive comments make you feel better about the fans of this series who are out there.

Otarush
Otarush

From a long-time lurker, thank you for saying what you did in this post. SGU has been amazing so far! I love it and find the characters to be quite interesting. My friends and I have held very long debates about Rush’s motivations and intentions, it’s been fun~

Matt
Matt

I’ve been reading this blog regularly for a couple weeks now, but not following the comments as closely. This is my first comment.
I’d just like to say that it’s great to see you defending the actors (and your readers) from the legion of morons who can be found everywhere on the Internet. I love that you call people out on what they say, and that you’re not afraid to tell them to go screw themselves if they deserve it.

I’m also really enjoying the show so far… and I do somewhat resent Chloe’s actions, but only because I’ve been in a similar situation and I identify most with the Eli character. My reaction is a result of good writing, not bad. The characters are believable.

Keep up the good work, and don’t let the idiots get to you!

Sandra Good
Sandra Good

Fans should realize they are lucky to have inside access to the show with your blog. I am really sorry that you have to read the “idiot comments”. Anyone associated with the show should be able to read your blog without having to deal with that. I for one thank you for the effort you put into reading the comments, answering questions and putting up with all the crap. All the best Joe…..

iamjohn
iamjohn

I’m not/wasn’t entirely happy with the scenes, especially when I first saw it in Dark, but I think you used it well, particularly in Water. In any case however calling someone a whore is incredibly uncalled for, and doesn’t make sense anyway since the actor isn’t the person responsible for what the character does in show, the writer/producers are!

In any case I apologize for the general idiocy of other commenters, and feel free to tell people such as the actors and family that as well.

Abbas Karimjee
Abbas Karimjee

Just a quick note that everyone is invited to vote for their favourite character on Stargate Universe at my site at http://www.abbaskarimjee.wordpress.com.The poll is further towards the bottom of the post.

Thanks!

kuro-sama
kuro-sama

hey, i like Water. TJ really shines in that eps. cool~ luv u TJ~

man, i hope SGU will make it to my country. As far as i remember, they only have SG-1 for 5 seasons, and Atlantis for 2 or 3 seasons. i dont really remember.

anyway, if it doesn’t, i’m still gonna buy it’s dvds! just like what i did with atlantis~

see ya. >.<;;

Jozi
Jozi

Coming out of lurking to second Elmister’s “Hear! Hear!”. People can be douchebags and all one can hope is that they aren’t procreating and passing the idiot on to the next generation of humans.

anneteldy
anneteldy

Mr. M wrote:

Answer: I’m not blowing off criticism, merely pointing out that it doesn’t make sense to take the opinions of one small group as representative of general viewership.

Uhm. Isn’t that what pollsters and focus group studies do? How else do you figure the opinions of the general viewership?

As opposed to the general viewership, most of your commenters here want to like SGU and were predisposed to do so. Yet a noticable majority of them are complaining about the same thing. Shouldn’t that carry weight?

susan the tartan turtle wrote:

In the first part of Air Colonel Young collapses in his kitchen – has the reason for this collapse been explained (and I missed it) or is it still to be explained??

I took his collapse this way: he was fine in real life when he had that conversation with Emily but his subconcious imposed his injury into the memory.

Quade1 wrote:

3. In Air Pt 1, Carter claims there are 12 KIA and about 80 MIA.
Air Pt. 2, Greer and Scott have 23 weapons, giving one to each group of three, which is about 640.
In Light, Chloe’s odds of getting 1 of 15 spots on the shuttle are about 1 in 16, meaning about 240.
Approxamitely how many people are onboard, or will it be properly addressed in an upcoming episode?

Your math is off. 23 guns = 23 groups of 3 people = 69 people. Not all people went on the search so 80 still seems correct.

Chloe said her chances were one in five or one in six. 80/15 = 5.333 or a one in 5.33 chance of being chosen.

Anne Teldy

dasNdanger
dasNdanger

Poo. So I gotta tone down my immature colorful use of words? No more ‘hide the willies’, or ‘rumpy pumpies’? sad

Okay….I’ll behave. But ONLY when talking about the show! You’re still fair game, Joey! grin

In all seriousness – thanks. It needed to be said. What disturbs me most is that a lot of the personal attacks are coming from 40-somethings, aimed at 20-somethings. That’s just obnoxious.

However, I am disappointed to read your comment about what’s coming later this season. I love the flawed characters, but must admit that the romantic element doesn’t appeal to me at all, and may end up being the thing that kills the show for me. I don’t want it to – but I am just not a people-person when it comes to romantic relationships, in real life and in my choices of entertainment. I’ve just never been interested (at. all.) in who’s dating/marrying/sleeping with whom, and only enjoy such an element in a show when it is more about the breaking up than the getting together. (Guess that’s why I love Wolverine – all his women get killed! Huh…same with Hornblower, Mad Max, Elric…and any Wraith who’s lost his Queen. I’m seeing a trend here… )

Yup. I am NOT a romantic. It’s one of Mr. Das’ complaints about me – he loves romance in his shows (heck, he’s a Smallville addict – ’nuff said!), while I prefer stuff blowin’ up. Sure, he likes a good action flick, but he can’t resist a love story. I can. See, for me it’s not the sex (though I do dislike explicit sex scenes), I just don’t give a damn about love! I’m one of those ‘if it happens, it happens’ types – no need to talk about it. Well…except to complain about it if/when it becomes a focal point of a tv show. razz

Yeah. Shutting up now. And I was gonna tell ya about my great day…but seems a bit innappropriate with this entry, and my ‘don’t know when to shut up’ ramble. Sorry.

das the ass

Gracey
Gracey

Although the scene in Air 1 came as a complete surprise to me, as I just did not expect it in an SG show, the Chloe-Scott scene in Light didn’t bother me in the least (however I did feel bad for Eli). Although I’m still not sold on the Chloe character, she just doesn’t seem to have any purpose yet, except she has become a lightening rod character….

I’m not keen on the stone- back to Earth scenes, but I understand the reason for them and loved the cameo of Peter….

I’m really loving the Young character and very curious of why TJ was suppose to leave and didn’t. Very curious about Rush. I also like how Young is so protective of Eli….I’m just letting myself go along for the ride.

Sure I was bummed when SGA was cancelled (although I was more of a SG1 fan and really didn’t connect w/Sheppard, loved Ronon, Teyla (met Rachel at a convention – what a sweetie) and Rodney. But it is not the fault of these actors and this crew and they are doing their job and doing it well, so I’ll enjoy some more Stargate, in whatever form it happens to be…

Thornyrose
Thornyrose

First, if my comments have offended any of the actors, production people, or others who strive to bring a quality product to the screen, my apologies. While I will criticise the show if I believe it is a valid criticism, it’s not my intent to insult or belittle individuals. Merely to point out why something does or does not work for me personally. I’ve been impressed for years by the Stargate production standards, and that hasn’t changed even if the new show is not one I’ve instantly fallen in love with. But whatever issues I have with the show are no reflection on the actors, all of whom have put in solid to brilliant performances each episode. It’s not even really a slap at the production/writing staff, as much as expressing a difference in opinions.
Which is what I love about this site. I quickly dropped visting Gateworld Forums because of all the venom that seems endemic over there. Here, for the most part people voice their disagreement in respectful, even humorous ways. I try to avoid responding the few trollish posts in order not to stoke the flame wars they seem intent on starting. Besides, you as host do more than an adequate job on bug-stomping when needed.
So, what can we do to let you folks know how much we appreciate your efforts(not including the occasional book and/or chocolate shipments to vous) Whatever it is, I’ll be happy to do what I can to make the cast and crew feel appreciated, especially if it means we can entice them to come to conventions.
As a final note, is it just me or does it look like Young’s suit has a codpiece? I certainly didn’t notice it when the episode aired, but in your video clip … personally I think codpieces are great. It’s just that they seem to be so….unAncientish. Anyways, thanks for the video, the rant, and all the other stuff you do for your readers.

Gracey
Gracey

I do have an off Stargate question that I’m not sure you can answer, but thought I’d ask. Why do some series not get released because of music rights? I’m specifically thinking “China Beach.” Which I loved and introduced me to Bob Picardo. It has been written that it won’t be released because the music rights are too expensive. I know SG1 and SGA used original music, but SGU is using some contemporary music. Will this be a problem? I would think that if a song is in an episode then the music has been paid for? I know that when Roswell was released they had to replace alot of the music for the DVD’s, but if the show is reran, it has the original music. It’s just very confusing and damn frustrating as I’d love to own China Beach.

Gen
Gen

Amen.

Ryan
Ryan

Well, I’d like to take the time to apologize to Brian (and Miss Levesque) for anything I may or may not have said that was offensive… I may not like a character but I try not to let that hatred convey to the actors portraying them. My bad, guys!

On a perhaps lighter note…

“Trust me when I say that there’s no better way to guarantee a character’s long and fruitful stay on a show than to insist we get rid of them.”

In that case, I must insist you destroy all of the kinos and the machine that dispenses them… post haste!

J Daniels
J Daniels

Just make Rush a little more likeable (pretty please), the character has so far exhibited no redeeming qualities at all.
(no reflection on Robert Carlyle, he’s fantastic in the part but I want to like him)

Liking (not loving… yet) the series so far and it’s understandable that it’s a little slow paced atm (lots of new characters to establish)

I do love Eli♥ though, soft squishy, teddy bear that one.

Matt Silver
Matt Silver

Hear hear, for sure! To quote Yahtzee Croshaw, “Some fans are clingy, complainy idiots who will never be satisfied with anything that you do.”

Sad, but true. I hate that the fandom’s accusations about the Scott and Chloe characters has leaked into the actor’s lives, and it sucks for those of us who enjoy it. It’s not only making watching SGU a little detrimental to some who like it, but having conversations on forums about it will always lead to more Scott/Chloe bashing.

It must suck for the actors and the producers too, who craft this show – their baby – and to have that baby ripped to shreds by the aforementioned fandom. And those same same actors and producers want to go in and create a new episode/baby with a positive attitude, and idiot fans ruin it for them.

Jumble
Jumble

Oh Joe sad I’m really sorry to hear that some people are feeling it necessary to boycott your blog because of the negative comments. Please be assured that these ‘idiots’ are in the minority, and that most of us are quietly enjoying all aspects of SGU.

Maybe we should be a bit louder wink

*hugs*

caitlyanna

Thank you for this post. I hope my rant the other day didn’t piss you off. Everyone’s intitled to their own opinion but like you said, it’s the way they say it that can offend people. I concidered not following your blog because I like to read most of the comments made by my fellow fans and some of them were getting very ugly. I’m very proud of the show and even won an autographed poster signed by everyone except Lou Diamond Phillips. I will miss reading Brian’s Tweets but can understand that he needs a break. I know I’ll get updates from Sherry. I just hope that as the SGU and it’s story porgresses, the negative comments will die off a little, not completely because people won’t always like certain aspects or story lines of the show.

SMP85
SMP85

Great work on the show, Joe. SGU has some great characters. They feel real. Not everyone is a boy/girl scout!