Well, it seems that fans are still talking about Brain Storm, the Atlantis episode that has become a lightning rod for debate. And no wonder. This is the episode in which Rodney finally gets the gal – and the gal, in this case, is none other than Jennifer Keller, herself the source of some fan contention since her introduction in late season three. Since fans are touching on the topics of relationships in Stargate, and McKay and Keller in particular, I thought I’d take the opportunity to weigh in with my thoughts on the subject as well.

First of all, the big question: Why ship anyone? Does the show necessarily have to involve any sort of relationship? My answer to that would be that while, yes, it is science fiction, the characters at the heart of these stories are real people, subject to the same hopes, disappointments, and desires as you or I. They’re not emotionless automatons but grounded individuals who succeed, fail, exult, fear, despair, lose their tempers, and, occasionally, fall in love. On the one hand, the series wasn’t a space opera in the sense that it explored the constantly shifting relationships between our main characters but, on the other hand, we did aim at creating a realistic world within our scifi framework. It thus stood to reason that, over time, this would be something that we would explore simply because, over time, this would be something that would naturally evolve amongst people working together in such a close-knit environment.

“But what about SG-1?” some of you will (and have) asked. Why didn’t you ever confirm the Sam/Jack relationship in SG-1 but found the need to confirm the McKay/Keller relationship in Atlantis? Well, two reasons. 1) The Sam/Jack relationship was fraught with complications given that he was her commanding officer. Pursuing any sort of relationship would have been inappropriate for both and would only have really been possible late in the series after Jack’s retirement. Which brings us to – 2) Jack and Sam could have gotten together after Jack’s retirement, but it was never made canon because, quite frankly, it wasn’t my call. Still, despite the lack of official confirmation, it was only natural that they should get together after the events of Threads and, in my mind, they have been together ever since. An attempt to suggest as much in season 4’s Trio unfortunately ended up on the cutting room floor when the episode ran long.

Also, it must be remembered that this isn’t the first romantic pairing explored on Atlantis, much less Rodney’s first romantic pairing. Before Jennifer, there was Katie Brown and, to be honest, this was a relationship that could well have gone another way if circumstances had been different. In fact, heading into season four, fellow writer-producer Martin Gero and I had discussed two possible developments for the show’s forthcoming year. The first, was to pair up Ronon and Keller. One of the things that struck me when reviewing Sateda was how much Jennifer resembled Ronon’s lost love. Add to that the fact that both women were caregivers and you had a pretty intriguing parallel. The second development we had in mind for the show was to make Rodney an unexpected father. It was a storyline that would not only offer great comic potential for David, but also allow for some seriously interesting character growth for Rodney. Of course, when we pitched it to fellow producer Paul Mullie, he balked at the prospect of introducing a baby into the mix. “What are we going to do with a baby?”he asked. “Who is McKay going to leave it with when he goes off-world? Will he want to go off-world once he’s a dad? Are we going to have to cut back to the baby every episode?” We tabled the matter for further discussion but, as it turned out, the decision was made for us when Rachel revealed she was pregnant. Rather than pursue an alien baby storyline or minimize the actress by constantly trying to hide the fact, we chose to embrace the pregnancy and work it into the central storyline (answering all of Paul’s anxious questions in the process). Since we couldn’t well have two of our main characters facing parenthood, we opted to drop the Daddy McKay idea.

A quick aside here to discuss developments on the Teyla front. If we were going to introduce a pregnancy storyline, and we weren’t about to embrace an immaculate conception twist, then it stood to reason that we would need a father. Two possible candidates emerged: John Sheppard and somebody else. Ultimately, we chose to go with the latter. Paul, again, was the first (and most vociferous) to balk at the prospect of making Sheppard the baby daddy. True, we had set up a mutual attraction between the two characters, but to suggest that these two had hooked up unbeknownst to everyone else (to say nothing of the audience) seemed a bit of a stretch. Furthermore, we felt it would do a disservice to the Sheppard character to, at the very least, suggest impropriety on his part. So, we went with a fellow Athosian, someone Teyla could well have spent time with away from the watchful eyes of her fellow teammates. Granted, it wasn’t the perfect solution but given the circumstances, the only one that made sense to us.

As for Katie Brown – well, it just didn’t work out. One of the things we became acutely aware of was the imbalance in the relationship. I have to smile inwardly at those who would criticize Keller for trying to change Rodney based on some comments she makes in Brain Storm given that nobody complained about the fact that McKay was incredibly passive, almost childlike in his last relationship. Initial awkwardness aside, he is significantly more confident and self-assured in Jennifer’s company and, in spite of suggestions to the contrary, more himself.

But back to the original topic. With the McKay fatherhood storyline dead, we decided to start seeding a potential Ronon-Keller relationship. Quarantine was the first episode in which we suggested a possible mutual attraction between the two characters. Trapped in the infirmary during a lockdown, their almost kiss is interrupted but the stage is set. Until three episodes later when, in Trio, Keller asks McKay out for a beer. It was a small, almost insignificant invitation between co-workers that perhaps wouldn’t have amounted to much…except that our season finale, The Last Man, turned out to be a time travel episode that explored the potential futures of all of our characters. It was decided that Carter and Ronon, the consummate warriors, would sacrifice themselves. Teyla would never escape Michael’s clutches. And Rodney would live out the rest of his life attempting to undo the past…but not alone. That drink invite in Trio presented the kernel of an idea – an actual relationship between two of our main characters, albeit one that takes place in an alternate future. And, given everything that these two characters go through in this future – defeat, the loss of friends, and their mutual decisions to abandon their positions on Atlantis – it made sense that they would find solace in one another’s company, and that that would develop into something more.

And so, heading into the show’s fifth season, we were faced with the prospect of a love triangle, with two very different suitors vying for the gal. Further complications were suggested in the first draft of Search and Rescue with the introduction of Captain Alicia Vega who, in the episode’s final scene, essentially asks Keller out. The prospect of introducing a gay character to the Stargate universe was always an interesting possibility, but one that would require the right circumstances. In fact, for several years now, there has been one recurring character who, in my mind, is gay but there has never been an opportunity to confirm the fact. While I feared that suggesting it in a throw-away (“I’m heading back to Earth to spend time with my boyfriend. See ya!”) would seem like a truly forced WTF moment for fans, alternately, making a big deal of it felt wrong as well. So, unless the right circumstances present themselves for this character, the fans can simply go ahead assuming he is heterosexual until such a time that, in a Rowlingesque postscript, I can add: “And, oh yeah, by the way – he was gay.” The character of Alicia Vega, meanwhile, did offer an opening that an established character did not: she was new and the final scene of the season five premiere felt neither forced nor insignificant. Of course, as Paul pointed out: “Do we really want to make this love triangle a love rectangle?”. Well, again, the decision was made for us when the episode ran waaaay too long and a good portion of Vega’s scenes, including the last one, had to be cut for time.

So, we were pursuing a love triangle and looking ahead to the events of Tracker in which things would come to a boil with the admission on the parts of both Ronon and Rodney that they were interested in Keller. However, while Carl was writing Tracker, Brad was writing The Shrine and, with Rodney’s admission revealed in the final scene of that episode, the results of the love triangle had, for all intents and purposes, reached a pre-emptive conclusion, a fact all but confirmed at the end of the mid-season two-parter. I remember actor Jason Momoa coming by the offices after First Contact and The Lost Tribe had been shot and my asking him what he thought about the resolution. He shrugged and admitted that, while he liked Keller, he didn’t see her as a match for Ronon. In fact, he thought a far more suitable match would be “Character X”. I remember smiling and informing him “Well, it’s funny you should say that…”

With the potential for a relationship set up and all obstacles removed, it was only a matter of time before McKay and Keller got together – and they eventually did in Brain Storm which offered the perfect setting for the final confirmation.

So, what about the other characters? Well, Teyla has someone now (remember Kanaan? No?) and we’ve already established Woolsey’s inherent loneliness (in Remnants). Ronon – well, don’t give up on the big guy yet. As for Sheppard – I consider him an even bigger loner than Ronon, an incredibly tough nut to crack. If anyone was going to do it, I don’t think it would be someone who just walked into his life. Rather it would have to be someone he knew (and knew him well in turn), someone he had a history with. Teyla would have been a possibility but, alas, she has settled down with the babysitter of her child – Kanaan. And there is one other alternative, one that I’d originally envisioned exploring when I was first spinning the story that would eventually become Remnants: John’s ex-wife, Nancy. In a very early version of the story, Nancy, who we have established works for Homeworld Security, is appointed to review Woolsey’s probationary record. Finally privy to the secrets her ex-husband had to keep from her all those years, she is actually able to empathize and understand him a little better. Of course, with better understanding complications arise… No idea where it would have gone, but I imagined it playing out as part of an extended episode arc.

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iberostar

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HBMC
HBMC

Great post Joe.

Gateworld posted a very long interview with Martin Gero yesterday or the day before, and a portion of the interview was devoted to Keller and all the things that surround that character. What distrubed me was the sheer anger from virtually every comment that followed the interview, with people laying into Martin, Keller, all the writers, everyone. It was frightening because I just don’t understand where it comes from.

Daniel Jackson always has been my fav character on Stargate – ever since Shanks did his James Spader impression in Children of the Gods. Like a lot of people I was shocked when he left the show, but I didn’t mind. I liked Jonas and I think that the 3 episodes he did in Season 6 were better than any he did in Season 5 (especially The Changeling, I love that ep).

Martin puts down a lot of the ‘Keller-Hate’ to Beckett’s demise, and despite some of the more vocal angry comments at Gateworld, I think he’s on the money. But unlike the Daniel/Jonas thing, this seems to be bigger somehow.

And then making Keller the object of affection for another main character (in this case my other fav Stargate character) just makes things worse in their eyes – now someone they hate, who replaced someone they love, is getting with the character they loved’s best friend!

I really don’t mind the ‘ship’, and to me the Keller/McKay thing feels natural, as did the reasons for why Keller turned Ronan down (he tried to hard and ended up pushing her away). I think it’s good that things change permanantly on shows like this, be it characters dying, changing jobs, even having actual relationships. And if Universe is going to be, as you say, far more arc driven in that each episode follows directly on from the next, then I really am looking forward to it. Just make sure you or Paul get legal guardianship of Martin Gero so he can’t leave the show!

And these angry people (I loved the ‘Keller is the focus’ comment from the other day, and I loved your answer more), I think that at the end of the day they’re still big fans. If they really did hate everything about the show, they would have stopped watching. And no this isn’t the cop out ‘If you don’t like it stop watching it’ thing that gets said often, this is just me saying that for all their anger, bile and vitriol, they’re still fans and they’re still watching. There’s got to be some good in that. smile

Again, great post Joe. Well said.

BYE

dasNdanger
dasNdanger

Wow. If only we could get such a nice analysis of Todd.

wink

das

JenR
JenR

Thanks for your take on everything Joe, even though I still have unanswered questions your post did put some things into perspective. I think there is definitely a big difference between what was intended and how the finial results were interpreted, though. I also still believe the way Brain Storm was structured didn’t do either of the characters any favors – Keller not seeming to believe Rodney (It could have been made more clear that while she did believe him she felt that it was best to not make a scene because no one else was going to believe them – Rodney almost sounding like he wanted credit more than caring about having saved the day (it’s how it came across to me, really) – them sex on a plan right after having almost died? Sorry, but that just made no sense…). I also think the relationship progressed a bit to quickly for my preferences – but perhaps the point was to get it done quickly so other plot lines could be followed up in a later season that never got to happen? Either way what’s done is done and at the end of the day the show is yours and you guys should do what you want with it. I know that, I’ve defended that in the past.

CazzBlade
CazzBlade

Hi Joe,

Even though I despise the pairing of McKay and Keller so I am very dissapointed that it became canon, I thought that was an absolutely excellent post! A fascinating read grin

I totally understand why you didn’t make Shep the father of Teyla’s baby, I am John/Teyla shipper but for all the reasons you stated it wouldn’t have been right.

And I did quite like the connection between Ronon and Keller, I wouldn’t have minded them getting together but I very much like the idea of him and Amelia wink

It’s a shame that we won’t see Nancy again, I liked her much more than I expected too smile Poor Shep sad

Cazz x

StellaByStargate
StellaByStargate

Thanks, Joe, for that insight. Frankly, I don’t see what all the fuss is about myself. Two different shows. Two different sets of circumstances. Two completely different types of relationships. And I enjoy them both.

Noting what you said about SG1 and Sam and Jack–you said it’s never been canon, although in your mind they’ve been together since Threads (in mine too, if you haven’t figured that out…). Can you tell us if there is any likelihood that it will ever be made canon at some point? Or are we going to have to continue to live with it in our imaginations forever?

As always, thank you!

SBS

Narelle from Aus

Thank you Joe for that.

I was one more hate filled Comments section off sending you an email to say thanks for everything, goodbye for now and I’ll read you during Sci Fi book of the month discussions.

Hopefully now the whole Keller/McKeller hate fest can be put to bed and people can start directing their efforts and energies into something useful! I think I’m living in a world of false hope though.

I don’t know where people get the mental and emotional energy to hate, and yes I say hate, fictional characters. Doesn’t real life throw enough challenges at you without feeling the need to go all postal about someone that doesn’t exist?

Think of Maggiemayday, Davidd, Anne Teldy, drldeboer whenever these overwhelming feelings of fictional hate come over you and do some quiet reflection on what problems you could really be faced with right now other than your TV show characters not living up to your expectations.

Practice perspective please…

And those crying “Mary Sue”, so what if she is? If you write fan-fic then can you criticise? The only difference is writer’s of fan-fic are unfunded writers.

The entry from Joe today just shows that they don’t just write whatever they feel like, it is a juggling act of fans, actors, studio expectations and you have to try and keep as many happy as possible.

I want to know how many that continually criticise have tried to create their own idea, pitched it to a network or attempt to raise the capital themselves, have got picked up, hired the actors, worked within budgets, written scripts years on end within guidelines, negotiated contracts, written scripts to work within actor’s limits and have made it successful?

Try it and see how easy it is.

I know this comment will be unpopular but I don’t care anymore. I’m done. Tired. Fed up with so much continual negativity. It doesn’t take much to turn from seeing the positives in life to always seeing the negatives, and sadly negativity spreads like a virus. I make a point of not surrounding myself with negativity people in the real world, so I need to walk away from a negative environment before I let it effect me.

ElisaD
ElisaD

Thank you Joe for the answers to ships and what ifs.

Sam/Jack – I was one who, although, would have loved to see them get together, understood this would never happen as long as one of them remained in the service.

Rodney/Katie – agree with that assesment. Rodney was trying too hard to be nice. He does seem to be more at ease with Jennifer. I don’t think I ever heard Rodney complain about anything while he was with Katie.

After 5 years, I too thought it would be a little unbelivable that no one would fall in love and I think Rodney was really the best choice. John and Ronon both have bad experiences with love in the past, and Rodney did hint that he wanted to pass on his genius, so I would have gone with him.

Anyway, just to let you know, I agree with the direction that the show was going on concerning matters of the heart.

Thanks,
Elisa

tamijb
tamijb

Joe Writes: First of all, the big question: Why ship anyone? Does the show necessarily have to involve any sort of relationship? My answer to that would be that while, yes, it is science fiction, the characters at the heart of these stories are real people, subject to the same hopes, disappointments, and desires as you or I. They’re not emotionless automatons but grounded individuals who succeed, fail, exult, fear, despair, lose their tempers, and, occasionally, fall in love. On the one hand, the series wasn’t a space opera in the sense that it explored the constantly shifting relationships between our main characters but, on the other hand, we did aim at creating a realistic world within our scifi framework. It thus stood to reason that, over time, this would be something that we would explore simply because, over time, this would be something that would naturally evolve amongst people working together in such a close-knit environment.

Thank you Joe. I completely agree with you about the Ship issues. As you said they wouldn’t be human if they didn’t. And it does make more since to have a main character fall in love with someone they know than someone from say another planet. Besides our characters our stuck on Atlantis 365 days a year so who else are they going to have romantic interest with and why not someone that udnerstands what they are going through. Its the samething in real life. People don’t fall in love with someone that walks off the street and into their lives. People fall in love with people they know through work, school, church, friends, etc. Maybe once in a while someone might fall in love with a complete stranger, but not often.

Again Joe. Thanks for the break down.

Tami

riley

Interesting post, Joe. Yesterday, you said: As for the argument that the Keller/McKay relationship has become the main focus of the show, let’s chart its development: The Shrine (final scene, McKay admits his love for Keller), Tracker (final scene, McKay and Ronon admit their mutual interesting Keller), The Lost Tribe (final scene, Keller informs Ronon she is interested in someone else), Brain Storm (McKay and Keller’s first date, the relationship is solidified). Again, hardly the focus of the show’s fifth season. See, this – for me – is kind of the crux of my issues with Rodney and Jennifer: I felt their growing attraction wasn’t developed enough. Now, I like Keller just fine. I was never a huge Beckett fan, so this has nothing to do with him. I have no problem with any age difference anywhere. My problem simply lies with the feeling that what you guys had in your head didn’t transfer to the screen as well as it could. I still love SGA. I still love Rodney. Again, I like Keller just fine. I just felt like the key relationship moments stick out awkwardly because of a lack of little hints along the way. I don’t know – maybe these things were meant to be there and were lost due to cuts for time. Maybe these things *are* there in the writers’ eyes, but I am not picking up on them. I’m shrugging as I type. Whatever, I’m still watching. I have to agree with you somewhat over your comments regarding Rodney’s relationship with Katie vs his relationship with Keller. I found it quite sad the way that Rodney always seemed to feel he had to change who he was to “deserve” a nice girl like Katie. Even his breakup with her was all about how he wasn’t worthy – he needed to work on himself before he would be a good marriage choice for anyone. How sad! And untrue – all he needs is someone whose personality clicks with his. If Sheppard had been locked in that room with Rodney in Quarantine (and this comment is totally not a McShep thing!) then Rodney would not have spent all that time lying on the floor, paralysed by despair – Sheppard knows how to handle Rodney, Katie never did. Admittedly, Keller is better in that respect (although, I did feel that in Brain Storm she seemed to buy into views of the other scientists in terms of thinking of Rodney as an arrogant blowhard – particularly in the scene where Tunney is doing his presentation.) I have to agree with you, too, in your idea of Sheppard as more of a loner than Ronon, and it’s hard to envision him in a relationship. As far as making him the father of Teyla’s baby – I’m really glad you didn’t go down that road, for all of the reasons you outlined above, but also because I never saw any mutual attraction between them after the pilot, only friendship, and… Read more »

anonymoose
anonymoose

Re: Sam/Jack – I thought Jack didn’t retire after ‘Threads’, but was promoted to head of Homeworld Security. That took him out of the SGC and perhaps out of Sam’s direct chain of command, but since I’m guessing since HS probably oversees the Stargate Program, a relationship between the two of them would still be seen as improper.

As for your gay guy – I call Lorne. I don’t know why – just a hunch. I hope if you guys ever decide to out whoever it is to the audience, and they happen to be in the military of….certain countries…..you’re careful with how you do it. A throwaway “I’m heading back to Earth to spend time with my boyfriend. See ya!” could be a little dangerous for his career, depending on who’s in hearing range. sad

beadtific
beadtific

Joe, thanks for outlining the thought process involved in writing this season’s scripts, and in particular, the McKay-Keller romance. Despite the explanation(yeah, you knew that was coming, huh?) I think that a large part of the general cry of “WTF?” comes from *telling us* that Rodney and Jennifer have feelings for one another not *showing us.* There just wasn’t enough….stuff… between that beer and the “I love you, have for quite some time.” I know I sat up and said, “WTF?” And then worried that John had messed up the timeline and *told* him for crissakes, real smart John. You lads gave us a progression with Ronon and Jennifer. The almost kiss, Jennifer’s realization that wow, they approached things very differently and oh, no, this was not such a good idea and her gently breaking things off with him. It felt like we went from zero to sixty with Jennifer and Rodney and we’re squalling with whiplash. There was no subtext at all and then BOOM, text. Make no mistake, fandom as a whole loathed Katie Brown, thought she was all wrong for him, couldn’t believe that he was effacing himself so much to be with her and generally forgot about her, as Rodney seemed to, when she wasn’t in sight. Thing was, we figured you guys thought that, too, and there would be some sort of realization, ignominious end or both. There was both! And much rejoicing forthwith. Even if I prefer different relationships for both of them, I would have been delighted, would have eaten it up with a spoon, to see them fall in love over a series of episodes – not even whole episodes, but enough to know, to feel the affection between them build. Because gosh, how cute is Rodney when his face is all shining and happy and oh, Jennifer is so pretty and hey, a geek girl too, kind of like us fangirls, and that have been pretty cool. If you made us believe it. I have to come to the conclusion – and I thought about it – that I have no idea when Rodney’s feelings toward Jennifer changed from colleague to something greater. I never saw it. I can only come to the conclusion that John must have told him they were married in another timeline and that Rodney’d been chewing that over and convinced himself that This Was It. (If so, oh *dear,* Rodney.) I don’t know about Jennifer either. If her realization that she had deeper, romantic feelings was supposed to happen during “The Shrine,” it was obscured by her doctoring. She was quite obviously being Very Professional and Protective of her patient. She may have well been harboring squishy feelings or confused feelings or confused squishy feelings, but what came across was distrust of Pegasus medical knowledge of their own diseases, most particularly in the person of Ronon and defensiveness against the collective wish do do something *now.* Again,that seemed to be progression of Ronon and Jennifer’s storyline… Read more »

Sparrow_hawk
Sparrow_hawk

Thanks for the explanation, Joe. It is interesting to hear how much discussion went on behind the scenes in establishing all the interpersonal relationships for the last two seasons.

I never had any problem with the McKay-Keller relationship – it seems natural to me that they ended up together. Both of them seemed kind of nerdy and shy and tentative in their interpersonal relationships. They just — fit.

Sparrow_hawk
Sparrow_hawk

@Narelle: Your post crossed my last one, so please forgive the extra post, but I wanted to say that I agree with you. Thanks for putting it so well.

Kathleen
Kathleen

Thanks for explaining the thought processes behind the various ships on SGA. I have to admit that I thought Jennifer and Ronan had more chemistry than Jennifer and Rodney, but I’ve enjoyed seeing Rodney act like himself and STILL get the girl, since it probably is too much to ask to have him end up with John. :0)

ElisaD
ElisaD

@Narelle from Aus

I agree, all this negativity is unhealthy, so I’ve decided to make it a point to write positive comments! Joe and the other writers, producers, etc…need to know that there are fans who have and are enjoying Stargate Atlantis. They need to hear the good, not just the bad.

Just m2cw!

Elisa

Alexandria
Alexandria

The romance and sexual tension in shows really draw me in, I love it. However, I’m going to have to say that I agree with what Joe F. said in an interview a while back. He was speaking of Teyla and Sheppard at the time, but he said that they could never consummate the relationship, or at the very least, it would be in the last episode. Shows thrive on conflict such as sexual tension. Once the relationship is consummated, then it’s no longer as entertaining. I believe this is true in the Keller/McKay case. I’ve not weighed in with my opinions on their relationship until now. I do think it moved way too fast. I noticed the subtle pieces added in Friday’s episode that really cemented their coupledom. I suddenly felt myself acting like some 6 yr old, saying “Eww, gross…” and wrinkling my nose. It seemed like too much, and I’m the type of sucker who loves this stuff. I love McKay, don’t get me wrong, and I definitely believe that he should get the girl. Keller is a great choice, but there has been very little buildup. I know it’s been building for a season and a half, how much more do I need? Well, honestly, the Teyla and John build up went on for much longer. The longer it goes on, the more I want them to be together. I know, it sounds cliche, but it’s the truth. The journey is the sexual tension and the end reward is the consummation. I’d have loved to see more sexual tension with McKay and Keller. Sure, they aren’t the couple that I’d love to see together, but I think the characters deserve to be happy. Now on to Kanaan. There are many ways for killing off characters that are fun and entertaining hehehehe. It’s obvious that Sheppard wants Teyla, and he was her protector while she was pregnant. It was a role that fit him very well. However, if a Sheppard/Teyla consummation is not in the stars, then she could hook up with Carson Beckett after Kanaan’s death. He’d make an amazing father, and Teyla could still go on missions without having to cut to the baby all the time. I nearly posted Jen and Rodney having a baby idea in my previous Daddy Daycare response to Marty’s Q&A. Teyla and Jen go out, leaving Shep and McKay to watch the babies. haha. I still firmly believe it would be hilarious. It could even be a dream sequence where Rodney wakes up in a cold sweat from the dream. Terrified, Rodney then looks over at the engagement ring on the nightstand. Roll Credits. Okay, so it’s been established that I’m evil, but if SGA were going on for more seasons, I’d have volunteered to write the script. I’ve taken a number of script writing classes at uni all with high marks, and have the software to boot. It could even be a 15-20 min piece and still be… Read more »

sylvia
sylvia

Joe,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and insights.

Narelle makes a good point – let’s focus energies on real problems and issues. We have a number of people enduring real issues and grief.

In the US there are enormous issues and problems we face. I know I am confronting some due to the entire state of our affairs. I believe many in other countries have similar crosses to bear.

Yes, this is Science Fiction; it is ONLY an episodic television show and franchise that the majority of us have LOVED forever. Let’s continue to love it for as long as we have it and also the movies too. And, while I am uncertain about what the SGU holds, I’m going to watch it because it is part of the franchise I have held dear for way too long to drop and be petty about.

Why give Joe, and VERY IMPORTANT – the cast and crew who also read Joe’s blog so much grief and negativity. Joe has mentioned the readership as have a number of other blog readers.

My apologies if this offends anyone.

Thanks for the opportunity to blather; thanks for the blog snow; NOW….if we could all chill and play nice.

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Thornyrose
Thornyrose

Wow. Thank you for the insight into the decisions and thought processes involved in the shipping of McKeller, as well as addressing related topics, such as Sheppard, Ronon, and Teyla.
Looking back, it’s not as if the McKeller arc has been all that dominating in terms of air time, other than in Brain Storm itself. Why shouldn’t McKay find some happiness for a time? Even if he “gets the girl” this season, that doesn’t promise that he would keep her. We all know the longevity of medical characters in the stargate universe, as well as McKay’s own karmic luck. The relationship, unlike the Sam/Jack one, was one that was not encumbered by official regulations. The Ronon/McKay rivalry was nicely played, and not overdone. And the McKeller relationship can be traced back all the way to Adrift, when we watched the characters first working in parallel to save their respective “patients”, then together to save Weir. The development of the relationship is logical.
My deepest regret is that we will not get to see Ronon or Sheppard have a similiar opportunity to develop relationships of their own, though with luck the movies might give us hints of them moving in that direction. But circumstances have killed the show prematurely, and unless Bill Gates elects to fund the show himself, we have to live with that.
One more mention about Keller. For those who are wannoyed at how much screen time she’s been given, I would point out that one of the major arcs of this season justifies her presence. None of the core characters could have handled the medical scenes needed to set up and explain the progress of the Wraith treatment. Ms. Staite pulled off those scenes profesisonally, and I believe the writers have not given her undue focus. This doesn’t mean I didn’t want to see more of Teyla, but the writers didn’t choose to tackle an arc, say, showing the Pegasus galaxy alliance of humans forming up, where Teyla might have played a central role. And while Carson Beckett might have filled in for Keller, we simply don’t have Mr. McGillion as a regular character.
With just three episodes left, I simply don’t want to deal with all the venom and vitriol some people seem to feel towards aspects of the show. I just want to enjoy the remaining episodes, and grind my teeth down as I await the release of the dvds and the new movie. Especially given the season, how about focussing on the upbeat for the next few weeks? Once the show is over, there will be plenty of time to get back into our arguments and no holds barred debates.

maggiemayday

Hubby and I were giggling over R&J joining the mile high club. Heeheee! Yeah, we’re mature.

Deni B.
Deni B.

Well said, Joe! I was all for the McKay/Keller relationship and hoped he would get the girl. I can understand animosity toward the replicators, Michael and other bad guys, but this? For anybody to say that this was akin to The Young and the Restless (or some such thing) is ridiculous. I’m glad our favorite characters have real emotions and I think that deep down, we’re all suckers for a happy ending. Again, thanks for a great episode~

Snowball
Snowball

Hello, i just wanted to ask what the chances are, of having either Joe, Jason, or Rachel answer any questions on your blog? secondly although i know that you guys have not written the movie yet, Do you guys plan on exploring the character relationships or can we expect it to be a 2 hour episode of some sort?

Ahem
Ahem

You could always put a bit of your John-Nancy arc in the upcoming movie.

Karen
Karen

Wow, thanks, Joe, I enjoyed reading that.

Alexandria
Alexandria

Wow, I had no idea that the negativity was truly that bad. I’m usually oblivious to it all as I rarely spend time reading the other comments. I usually only post responses directly related to the blog. This is something I’ve started since I nearly spoiled the Lost Tribe arc as people were posting reviews before I had seen the show…

I apologize if I offend anyone (or drive them away) with my previous post as it was never my intention. The post is how I feel, in all honesty, in regards to that relationship and others. I don’t believe I was too negative. It may appear that I’m joking about Kanaan, but I think ultimately, it’s best for some characters to sacrifice themselves for the good of the show. razz

(Tried to post this before but my internet died on me, so I’m not sure if it went through or not. Sorry if I double post it. )