Way back on December 31, 2006, I put together a little spoiler poem that offered hints to upcoming episodes, covering the back half of Atlantis’s third season and into season four. Well, almost all of the hints finally revealed, I thought I would give you a breakdown of the clues in the poem and how they related to the various episodes…

Atlantis assailed by the stuff of nightmares,

(Doppelganger – Robert Cooper walked into the writers‘s room one morning and said “ I want to do the Atlantis version of Dreamscape.”. We stared back at him blankly. Huh? “The Atlantis version of Nightmare on Elm Street,”he tried again. Oooooh! We got it! And fans and Joe [who’d been petitioning] finally got a dark side Sheppard]).
While the team will explore that dark sunken lair.
(Submersion – Director of Photography Brenton Spencer does a very nice job on his first Atlantis directing assignment).
For one player worship, adoration and fame,
As he and his rival find it’s more than a game.

(The Game – This one came in short, so Carl ended up introducing a very entertaining B-story involving Zelenka and Lorne).

Receive a grand gift from an all-seeing shaman.

(The Seer – The Woolsey character’s involvement in the first draft of the script felt a little one note. Then, Robert Cooper suggested putting a little spin on his by-the-book attitude. Instead of weighing in with his opinion, he was going to try very hard to sit on the sidelines and allow us to do our job. Easier said than done of course.).

Find the wraith and our allies have something in common.

(Spoils of War – This one was the biggest stretch – the allies in question being the Asgard. The thing they have in common? Why, cloning technology of course).

A tech-savvy group who progress via pillage.

(Travelers – The Travelers were the first of the technologically advanced races we want to introduce to the Pegasus Galaxy. We’re working on another.)
A wild west High Noon in an inapt Dutch village.

(Irresponsible – We were all set to shoot this in a suitably Western-looking location – until we found out that the location we’d had our hearts set on was not going to work for us. So instead, we elected to shoot at this bizarre-looking location that worked out great for SG-1’s Revisions, but not so hot for this episode. Alas, when it rains it pours. The location snafu was just one of many, many things that went horribly awry).

Too late the value of that friendship he’ll learn.

(Sunday – You know the old saying “You never know what you’ve got until it’s gone”? Saddest SG-1 moment – Meridian: Daniel says goodbye to Jack and steps through the gate. Saddest Atlantis moment: Rodney says goodbye to Carson who quietly fades away.)
A strange disappearance feeds another’s dark turn.

(Missing – The Athosian’s disappearance was intended to kick off a dark turn for Teyla’s character, one that would have run through much of season four. But with Rachel’s pregnancy, that arc changed. Still, we do catch an unsettling glimpse of this potential darkness as Teyla shows the Bola Kai little mercy).

Find survivors concealed in an orbiting rock,

(The Ark – Did anyone notice an out-of-place Snickers bar sitting on a console in one particular scene? No? That’s because we eventually noticed and had visual effects paint it out.)
While the thinker receives an enlightening shock.

(Tao of Rodney – Lots of funny moments in this one but my favorite: Radek’s hard luck story in the opening walk and talk, punctuated by McKay’s cavalier dismissal of the tragedy. Oops.)

Mutations discovered,

(Vengeance – McKay lay on his back, kicking wildly, as the creature scrabbled over him. “What’s it doing?”asked somebody in the room when we were watching the dailies. “I think he’s getting rolled for his wallet.” Sometimes, less is definitely more. The sequence was trimmed and ended up looking great.)

O’Neill is all wet.

(Rick does some underwater filming and shows he’s still got that MacGyver edge).
With a change of location all will forget.

(Tabula Rasa – This episode included guest stints by numerous big market DJ’s. Can you pick them out in the big cafeteria scene?)

Hyperion’s wrath threatens total destruction.

Our hand will be forced by ominous construction.

(Echoes – Hyperion, of course, being the sun god of Greek lore; the ominous construction a reference to the replicator fleet we take out. When we were spinning a solution for First Strike and first came up with the idea of abandoning the planet, Robert Cooper objected to the idea because we had saved the whales in Echoes, only to abandon them. After much consideration, I came up with a solution: As the city takes flight, we all glance back and watch, amazed, as the whales rise up out of the water, sprout wings, and fly away – leading Marty G. to coin the term: Whangels. Alas, the Whangels [and my idea] didn’t fly.)

Carter arrives; a reunion of sorts.
One of our own the enemy courts.

(Reunion – Ever notice how Ronon always gets the third or fourth episode the season? It’s not intentional. Honest.)

Isolation imposed and a grand battle looms,

(Lifelife – Cut off from the Milky Away, albeit temporarily, Atlantis launches a desperate bid to acquire a ZPM – and ends up kicking off the wraith-replicator war.]
While an alien contact this player dooms.

(Doppelganger – It’s hard to keep certain developments under wraps, but with the fans focused on other spoilers, Dr. Heighmeyer’s demise surprised a lot of people).

Self-doubt for one,

(The Seer – Carter is put in the hot seat. Uneasy lies the head that wears the crown].

parenthood for another

(Originally, we were toying with the idea of making Rodney and Katie parents. Of course, we couldn’t make two of our main characters parents. Is uncle-hood in the cards for McKay in season 5?)

And that brilliant young mom may be needing her brother.

(Millers Crossing – Sadly, the scene in which Sheppard comes upon Ronon sitting in the motel room, watching Battlestar Galactica was cut).

From innocents lost he’ll produce strict adherence

(Vengeance – Those unfortunate survivors of Inferno, ending up as test subjects for Michael’s mad experiments. To quote Teyla: “ It is amazing how quickly he has been able to incorporate our science into his”. Truly amazing.)

While the late fallen one makes a surprised reappearance

(The only clue that has yet to be revealed. Could Lucius Lavin be making his long-awaited reappearance? Stay tuned.)

And, oh yeah. To those of you comparing episodes to the hints I provided in my second annual spoiler poem (check out my December 31st, 2007 entry) – now that Harmony has aired, you can tick off the obvious: “Get talked into escorting a precocious young brat.”

Today’s movie – Check below or head on over to photo bucket –

http://s230.photobucket.com/albums/ee164/BaronDestructo/?action=view¤t=BehindtheScenesonHarmony-McKayatthe.flvToday’s mailbag –

Baal 527 writes: “Whose idea was it for the painting at the end of Harmony?”

Answer: One Martin Gero.

Squeakiep writes: “Harmony” was a blast! And the painting…who’s office is that hanging in???? “

Answer: That painting is HUGE. It’s now hanging in the main corridor, right beside Lawren’s office.

Jenny Robin writes: “I just wanted you to know that I don’t not like your blog.”

Answer: Well I don’t not enjoy hearing from you.

AMZ writes: “What became of the feature you two wrote?”

Answer: It’s an unproduced spec feature that served as a handy writing sample, allowing us to get our foot in the door on various productions (Stargate among them).

Majorsal writes: “in the latest amanda interview (on scifi.com), amanda mentions the cut line in ‘trio’ and makes it sound like it’s still there and not cut. is the not-so-subtle hint still in ‘trio’ or is it truly on the cutting room floor?”

Answer: It is truly on the cutting room floor. I’ll post the unedited exchange after Trio has aired.

118 thoughts on “January 26, 2008: So that’s what he was referring to…

  1. Loved the episode Harmony, very funny interactions and the young actress Jodelle Ferland so very talented.

    The banter between Sheppard and McKay really funny and good timing.

    People don’t appreciate just how hard it is to write good comedy because the best writers make it look effortless.

    For example the portrait at the end, visual comedy at its best, simple but effective.

    Did Marty G have the portrait in the script from the beginning or was it added at the end as a way to round off the relationships juxtaposition with McKay becoming the hero?

    Not long now till Fondy returns, do you mark a line a day on the wall then cross it through when you reach seven? And have you worked out the intricacies of the washing machine or are we down to paper underpants yet?

    Pauline

  2. Wow Joe,
    Thanks for the post, did you realize that David swears in the video… I don’t remember him saying that line… Was it only because he was shooting the FX practical effects that he was adlibbing some what; just curious?

    Patricia

  3. (regarding the cut scene in ‘trio’)
    joe/Answer: “It is truly on the cutting room floor. I’ll post the unedited exchange after Trio has aired.”

    thanks for your honest answer. i look forward to that.

    when you first told us the scene had been cut, you said it would end up in the deleted scenes for s4 when the dvds came out, and/or you’d incorporate the same sentiments into an s5 episode. is that still the case?

    sally 🙂

  4. Majorsal writes: “in the latest amanda interview (on scifi.com), amanda mentions the cut line in ‘trio’ and makes it sound like it’s still there and not cut. is the not-so-subtle hint still in ‘trio’ or is it truly on the cutting room floor?”
    Answer: It is truly on the cutting room floor. I’ll post the unedited exchange after Trio has aired.

    Oh well. At least you’ll post it on your blog right after the episode airs.

    Please answer this question. What groups will like Stargate Continuum (like will any shipper groups like the movie (if yes, what groups?), action movie fans, science talk fans, character death fans (sister’s suggestion, not mine), Hannah Montana fans, icicle fans, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera)?

    Also, when is Stargate Continuum coming out on DVD?

  5. Thanks for the poetry commentary Joe. And for answering my questions about you and Paul.

    On book news, I finally got my hands on Smoke and Mirrors, had to order Fast Forward and I may have to miss Children of the Night because I can’t find it. And I’ve started the second book in Jennifer Fallon’s “Hythrun” series, not sure if you’ve ever read any of her books. If you have I’d love to know what you think.

    Amz

  6. We do not get Harmony til Tuesday but sneaked a peek at screen caps just to see that picture can hardly wait for this ep. my favourite guys.

  7. Flying whales would have been too funny!
    I never realized how loud the gun sounds were, the actors are really good at not showing it.

    What were some courses in college that you think writers should take? Well the ones that helped you I guess.

  8. thanks for another entertaining post. But you failed to address the burning question of the day. Without Fondy, who did you manage to meet your dietary needs? Eat out, or do your own cooking and count on the dogs to lick the dishes clean? Enjoyed the breakdown of the previous year’s clues, though I wasnt a regular reader when they were originally posted. With only three titles from season five, most of this last year’s clues are impossible to assign, or even derive any real information from. Not that it will stop folks from trying. Which brings me to my real question of the day(though answers about your quest for suppers are appreciated). Will there be any sort of sequel to Harmony in season five?

  9. I’ll thank Martin in his myspace but ..pretty please Joe, can you take a photo of the painting for us?

    hahah we want it so much!! (Desktop awaits)..

  10. Harmony was great.

    Son of a bitch, Mckay got it!

    The painting was priceless. Poor John.

    Stupid question: Did Mckay really only fall on top of Harmony or did he leap to her protection? I thought he leapt.

  11. Just finished watching harmony…really great episode! Joe F. and Rodney…priceless…can’t wait for the next episode…Loved the painting!!!

  12. Joe said…”(McKay and Mrs. Miller – Sadly, the scene in which Sheppard comes upon Ronon sitting in the motel room, watching Battlestar Galactica was cut).”

    Just in case you’re not kidding, which version of BSG was Ronon into? The older, campier version with Lorne Greene, Richard Hatch and Dirk Benedict or the newer edgier one with Edward James Olmos, Jamie Bamber and Katee Sackhoff?

    We see in Quarantine that Ronon liked Jaws. Is he into other movies or genres or does he just prefer horror flicks? Maybe action movies or is that too cliche? I’d laugh my butt off if I found out he decided he liked chick flicks or if he took up a hobby that was decidedly “un-masculine”…like knitting or something. 😉

  13. Okay excuse my ignorance here but I quote.

    “And that brilliant young mom may be needing her brother.

    (McKay and Mrs. Miller – Sadly, the scene in which Sheppard comes upon Ronon sitting in the motel room, watching Battlestar Galactica was cut).”

    Wouldn’t that line refer more to Miller’s Crossing than McKay and Mrs. Miller?! Cause to me(just my humble opinion) if it was M&MM, it should possibly read(you are the evil genius afterall so i’m not trying to be a usurper whom you send Baron Destructo after) “a brother needs his sisters help” or something like that cause rodney needed jeannie in M&MM, and she needed him in MC….. again jmho.

    Wonderful ep in harmony by the way it kept me in stitches the whole time.

  14. “Whangels” – genius!!! Ha!

    I must admit I thought of the whales when Atlantis left the planet, too.

    (Reunion – Ever notice how Ronon always gets the third or fourth episode the season? It’s not intentional. Honest.) I had noticed that, actually, and wondered what was up with that!

  15. (Vengeance – Those unfortunate survivors of Inferno, ending up as test subjects for Michael’s mad experiments. To quote Teyla: “ It is amazing how quickly he has been able to incorporate our science into his”. Truly amazing.)

    Very nice hint hint nudge nudge Joe. Has anyone else picked up on this quote’s future importance?

  16. I need to vent, and I’m curious as to what other readers think.

    I was watching Joe F’s 3rd Q&A on the Sci Fi site, and he answers the “what do you think of shipping?” Q with an answer that I am So. Bloody. Tired of!! Especially in light of Joe Quedada’s recent announcement that they’re retconning Peter/Mary-Jane right out of existence because “marriage is boring”.

    Anyway, Joe F suggested that we the fans *think* we want to see people end up together, but then that would ruin the sexual tension, which is what he thinks we *really* want.

    Flanigan (yes, I know he won’t read this, I’m just venting), I love ya, but ARRRRGH! That’s so frelling patronising, telling us what we want and assuming we don’t know our own minds!!!!! I am *sooooooooo* tired of writers insisting that *that’s* the truth of the matter, that we stop watching when we get what we want, rather than considering that it’s a failure on their part to be able to continue storytelling past a certain point! (Or, in some cases, admitting that they simply don’t want to write it.)

    Post-consumation didn’t work in Moonlighting because the UST was the central part of the show — the mysteries were, to many viewers and to the writers, it seems, just a set-up for the UST!

    So don’t make the relationship the bloody center of the plot, then — make it the spice, not the main course!!

    Or, go ahead and make the relationship the main course, but think of it as a dish with layers! Sexual tension isn’t the crust or the mozzeralla on a relationship pizza, it’s the sauce! It adds flavour, but a relationship can’t be built with it, only enhanced! That’s why a story based *only* on sexual can’t get very far — a writer has to make the crust-foundation of the relationship with the feelings the people have for each other in terms *other* than the bedroom, and make the toppings out of problems that are *external* to their relationship, things that they need to face together! Yes, we love sexual tension — a pizza without sauce is a little dull. But it’s still edible — and can even be great!

    (Besides, if post-coital relationships never had sexual tension again, I doubt anyone would ever stay with a partner, much less get married!)

    If we enjoy watching a pair of characters fight adversaries, especially when that’s the *actual* premise of the show, why would we stop enjoying that part of the story just because the nature of their relationship has altered? Relationships of *any* nature, romantic or otherwise, change and grow over time — stagnmation in a story is bad (repetition can be, too). And eventually? UST gets stale/spoiled, leaving a bad taste in the mouth.

    I’m really getting sick of being strung along with a coupling, only to *never* get any sort of resolution, or only get it at the very very end. I feel cheated! If people didn’t want an aftermath, there wouldn’t be post-relationship fanfics — and there *are*, *thousands* of them, many of them ongoing series, and others being one-shots where the ship in question is a given at the very start of the story! Planry of them are famous within thier respective fandoms (particulalry when you consider that all there is to promot them is word-of-mouth, bot the backing of a studio). We write them and read them on our own, so why the hell wouldn’t we want it in canon? Why would Farcape fans have fought so hard to keep their show on the air when John and Aeryn were already post-consumation, for example, if they didn’t want to see more?

    If writers keep taunting me with the sauce and show no signs of ever actually making the pizza, if the show doesn’t keep me entertianed enough in other ways, then I eventually go to find someplace where I can get a pizza that I can actually sink my teeth into. So even when the relationship is the reason I watch, not resolving the tension is more likely to drive me away than actually resolving it. It happens with a soap I watch all the time — when my fave couple is together, I watch, and when they aren’t, I lose interst if they’re apart for too long. When they get back together, I come back.

    Now, if the reason to stay away from ships in canon is because of the shipper WARS, that’s a reason I can understand and respect. But If I hear one more person insist that a series can’t let characters get together because consumating the relationship would *ruin* it, I may have an anuerism. This shipper cannot live on sauce alone.

    (It should be noted that the above rant is only in response to Joe F’s remark, and not a criticism of Atlantis. My only die-hard Atlantis ship is McShep, which I never expect to be truly canon, and the fact that they have a deep platonic friendship satisfies me under the circumstances. In fact, it’s far, far better than most ships seem to get …)

  17. Hi Joe
    In a recent interview Amanda said she’d like more action behind the scenes as an EP and director(probably referring to Sanctuary). I remember she directed a SG-1 episode way back in season 7. Is it possible that she’ll direct a season 5 episode?

  18. which version of BSG was Ronon into? The older, campier version with Lorne Greene, Richard Hatch and Dirk Benedict or the newer edgier one

    Oh, I never thought of the different versions. It would have been so funny to see Ronon watching the old version!

    And just so you know, JM, nieces and nephews can grow up to be a lot of fun. My niece called me a little while ago. When she was little, I used to babysit her, and I was the one who explained to her (when she was 3) that whining would not work and she should just stop it (and she did!). Now she’s 22, and she laughs at me when she calls and I’ve had nearly 2 bottles of wine and am heckling “Cops” on TV while listening to my police scanner. On the other hand, her little brother keeps texting me to remind me I promised to ride “The Ripcord” with him this summer at Worlds of Fun. What was I thinking?? Swinging from a steel cord at 70 mph sounds cool, but the 100 foot free-fall preceding that scares the you-know-what out of me! Where’s John Sheppard when you need him?

  19. Hiya Joe, 🙂

    Thank you for the poem break down…

    By the way, did you know Stephen Chow has new movie coming out at the end of the month in HK, Taiwan and Australia?! The new movie called CJ7. It looks very funny and childred friendly.

    Here is the movie trailer:
    http://www.sonypictures.net/movies/cj7/

    Have a great weekend… 🙂

  20. Mildly random comment: I was watching Hot Fuzz today and noticed that in 3 scenes different Iain Banks books were being read. I thought of you. I have yet to read any of his books.

    Speaking of books, have you started on Bright of the Sky yet? I’m currently reading it myself. So far, so good; but I’m not terribly far into it yet. I also noticed that both Bright of the Sky and Future Fiction are from the same publisher.

    Oh, and here’s a screenshot of the Harmony painting for those interested…not the greatest quality, but better than nothing, I suppose!

    Click Here To See The Harmony Painting!

    -Emily

  21. Very nice hint hint nudge nudge Joe. Has anyone else picked up on this quote’s future importance?

    Yes.. Joe said there was a clue regarding our Scottish doctor in the last 3 episodes of Season three. He added that the clue is at the very end of one of these episodes. Teyla’s line that you quoted is what I picked up on.

    Wolfenm I disagree. I think that what grabs most of us in is the sexual chemistry between the characters and once they’ve consumated that relationship, the novelty eventually wears off and we long for more of that “will they? Won’t they? Are they gonna kiss?” blahblah yadayada.

    Soapie makers are well aware of this fact and have one character be married and divorced about 14 times in their life on the screen. It’s the chase we want!! The hero saving the heroin (or vice versa) and that kiss……. Not the ‘into relationship domestic sorta stuff’

    I’d hate to see Ronan kissing Keller’s forehead and saying ‘Bye dear” and her responding with “bye darling, be careful! I packed a big lunch for you!” ..ugh

  22. >>>Saddest SG-1 moment – Meridian: Daniel says goodbye to Jack and steps through the gate.<>>Saddest Atlantis moment: Rodney says goodbye to Carson<< So far… Agreed.

    Thanx (finally!) for the poem breakdown!
    DD

  23. ahh the comment got lost: It was… until Daniel came back. So… Saddest SG-1 moments for me… Sha’re & Jacob/Selmak’s death.
    DD

  24. Hey Joe,

    I remember a while back you posted pics on location while filming Harmony… treasure those moments my friend, that is some truly gorgeous scenery (those sun rises must be worth getting up at 5am for).

  25. Thank you for the elaboration on the poem, Joe! I also appreciated the small remarks regarding each episode.

    Finally watched Harmony. Lovely little standalone episode with a great performances from Joe, David, and of course, Jodelle. I also loved the banter in this episode. It was Shep-McKay at its prime!

    My typical review: Link

    Let’s try a condensed version of the question from yesterday:

    Do you guys have a story arc for Season 5? If so, any hints? Is it an expansion of one of the arcs of Season 4?

  26. A tech-savvy group who progress via pillage.

    (Travelers – The Travelers were the first of the technologically advanced races we want to introduce to the Pegasus Galaxy. We’re working on another.)

    Seeing how mediorce (at best) an introductory episode Travelers was does not give me confidence that this new group will be introduced any better. I just hope you guys had a much better day (or days) creatively when this new groups’ episode(s) was thought up than you did when Travelers was conceived.

  27. I can see why everyone loves Jodelle, what a gem!

    I went home to spend a night with my parents during the weekend, and found that Cletus-Ann (all the 6 or 7 toed cats in the family get inbred/rednecky names) had been spayed and had a collar to match Lulu’s one. She keeps walking into things, but the worst part was my 3-year-old niece who thought the whole thing was hilarious. She couldn’t stop laughing at her and she kept gently patting Cletus on the nose as Cletus sat there glaring. Even with the collar, she is still queen of the house.

    Elizabeth said:
    “Please answer this question. What groups will like Stargate Continuum (like will any shipper groups like the movie (if yes, what groups?), action movie fans, science talk fans, character death fans (sister’s suggestion, not mine), Hannah Montana fans, icicle fans, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera)?”

    Ooh, ooh! I know this one! Stargate fans!

    *does a wee dance*

  28. It the videos it looks like you don’t provide ear protectors. Understandably over the ear types would be too big, but they don’t even seem to have foam protectors. Are the fake gunshots not loud enough to cause problems, or am I just missing something?

  29. Annie From freemantle said:

    Wolfenm I disagree. I think that what grabs most of us in is the sexual chemistry between the characters and once they’ve consumated that relationship, the novelty eventually wears off and we long for more of that “will they? Won’t they? Are they gonna kiss?” blahblah yadayada.

    Okay, maybe I should have said not *everyone* gets turned off by the consumation. 😉 I get turned off by a chase with absolutely no hope of payoff — it’s like the race in Alice and Wonderland — running around in circles with the same scenery and no progression is horrifically monotonous to me. I want some payoff, then something else that causes angst. Then more (and different) payoff, then more (and different) angst, and so on. The ust is the noveltythat wears off for me, but character growth — especially when characters grow together — is only dull in my eyes when the writing in general is dull. 🙂

    Soapie makers are well aware of this fact and have one character be married and divorced about 14 times in their life on the screen. It’s the chase we want!The hero saving the heroin (or vice versa) and that kiss……. Not the ‘into relationship domestic sorta stuff’

    Which is exatly why I drift away from my soaps (and comic books) — the constant break-up and abandoment of couples I like is a turn-off for me. I feel like I’m being slapped in the face for my loyalty rather than rewarded. All stories must come to an end eventually — I want them actually *closed* rather than simply *abandoned*.

    I take it you don’t like shoujo manga, then. My fave series, MARS, follows the struggle of a young couple from meeting to marriage, with all the steps in between, including break-ups (murders, struggles with mental psychoses, arguements with parents and teachers), and offers a taste of after-marriage as well. In one of the most popular shoujo out there, Kare Kano, the coupling go from love-hate to becoming romantically involved (not sex, but that big UST is deflated pretty quick) in the first volume, and it goes on for quite a while after. Same for Kare First Love and Peach Girl — they all explore the problems the couple runs into after they actually *become* a couple, and are extremely popular in Japan.

    Hey, maybe that’s my answer — I need to move to Japan!! XD

  30. Wow, Joe. Either I’ve gotten to your blog relatively early, or the number of comments you’ve been receiving have been drastically reduced!

    Also, I’m glad to hear you haven’t been going hungry in Fondy’s absence. I’ve recently taken to cooking for myself, too (I got tired of cafeteria food). On Friday, I made a vegetable stew (first time ever!) and one of my friends walked in and had a bowl with me.

    “I think it’s missing something–other than the salt, that is,” I murmured thoughtfully.

    “Meat,” he told me. “It’s missing the beef.” The punk!

    However, today, as I had a bowl, I couldn’t help but frown to myself. It sure could have used a can of the chicken I have on my shelf! (But shhh! Don’t tell my friend I said he’s right–he’s got a big enough ego already!)

  31. NOOOO, don’t cut that line from ‘Trio’!!!! The fans definitely want it!!

    Anywho, thanks for posting an explanation of the spoiler poem of ’06! Now, I’m pulling my hair out trying to make heads or tails over the ’07 poem. While I think I have much of the Season 4 ones figured out, I don’t know ‘The Last Man’ hint and the Season 5 ones of course. But, it’s fun to speculate!

    What happens when(if) Carl Binder returns from the WGA strike? Will he be writing for Season 5? Are there episodes set aside for him if/when he returns?

  32. Self-doubt for one,

    (The Seer – Carter is put in the hot seat. Uneasy lies the head that wears the crown.)

    Oooh, I know! This is a hidden clue, and most likely indicates that Kenneth Branagh is going to play Henry IV in an S5 back-half time-travel episode. Maybe William Shatner could doff the toupée and play Falstaff.

    Your blog very often makes me want to re-read most of Shakespeare’s plays, in addition to rewatching all of SGA (even Irresponsible. “Once more into the breach….”) – activities I would enjoy, but which at present are just too much to take on.

    So, a question, if you haven’t already addressed it: Which five of Shakespeare’s plays would you most enjoy reading again?

  33. Nifty break down of the poem. I hadn’t started watching the show yet (because I’m slow) so I never got the chance to try to work out clues (and I honestly didn’t work too hard to figure out this year’s – I like to be surprised), but it’s awesome seeing the connections after the fact.

    I have to say, though, that the Rodney and Katie as parents story idea kind of, sort of scares me. Just a bit!

  34. Harmony was a great episode. Power bar scene was the best. Mini-drones! What a perfect idea! Thanks for the McShep.

    P.S. I miss the whales.

  35. joe, but is it FRIGGIN’ HUGE?

    sarah l, especially if they turn into petunias on the way down!

    neb, i think maybe that was about ronan’s friends being wraith worshippers.

  36. “While the late fallen one makes a surprised reappearance
    (The only clue that has yet to be revealed. Could Lucius Lavin be making his long-awaited reappearance? Stay tuned.)”

    Ahahah…ahah….ah…. this is a joke… right ?
    No offence but somehow Lucius never made it amongst my favorite characters :p.
    So I’ll keep on living in lalaland and believe that another ‘fallen’ character will reappear 😉 (and when did Lucius fall anyway ? 😉 )

  37. Hmph! I just watched Harmony and Jodelle pulled your ass out of the fire, a talented young actresss indeed! So there will be no smiting today. I admit to being very pleasantly surprised after my initial, five minutes in, negative response, the combination of top quality writing and acting made what could have been a disastrous episode such as the Lucius Lavin episodes (both of them IMHO)very watchable. A pleasant change of pace after the the more recent episodes giving my adrenal glands chance to chill out and enjoy the scenery. Kudos!

  38. Very funny episode. I almost thought it was going to turn out like “The Tower” (which I didn’t care for). Glad it didn’t!

  39. (The Ark – Did anyone notice an out-of-place Snickers bar sitting on a console in one particular scene? No? That’s because we eventually noticed and had visual effects paint it out.)

    awwwww I like those kind of continuity mistakes, I would have like to plqay spot the snickers, hmmmm snickers.

    And Ronon watching Battlestar!

  40. Hey Joe I am one of those fans who are not happy about the cast changes on Atlantis and decided to do some polls on some sites got the idea from GW and wanted to see if the results would be the same on other sites where it is not as testy here are the links to the sites
    Here is the Poll on GW Do you want Weir back?

    http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=49371&page=43

    Voters: 392
    Yes 258
    No 95
    Don’t Care 39

    This site is a general TV site and my first real forum I lurked in and I thought this would be for the casual TV fan that likes Stargate but likes other shows too

    http://www.tv.com/stargate-atlantis/show/11415/do-you-want-weir-back/topic/6295-907499/msgs.html?tag=board_topics;title;13

    Voters 72
    Yes 42
    No 19
    Don’t Care 11

    The next site I decided to try was a Star Trek site they have a Stargate section so I thought this would be a good place for the Sci-fi fans who watch SG but it’s not their only sci-fi show

    http://www.trekbbs.com/threads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=SGForum&Number=8406625&fpart=&PHPSESSID=

    Voters 92
    Yes 46
    No 31
    Don’t Care 15

    The last site that I conducted this little poll is another Stargate site but it doesn’t have nearly as many votes as the other ones under 20

    http://www.sg1archive.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=16122

    Voters 13
    Yes 7
    No 6
    Don’t Care 0

    There was a similar poll on the Sci-Fi forum but it accidentally got deleted (I forgive you Squall) I didn’t set it up but was going to use it but there is a new poll there about Weir and season 5

    http://forums.scifi.com/index.php?showtopic=2298068&st=0&gopid=4797089&#entry4797089

    There are way too many options so you will just have to click on it also there is a new poll on GW similar to this one

    http://forum.gateworld.net/showthread.php?t=50240&page=11

    Again way too many options for me to type

    I hope you appreciate all the effort I did to bring you this info

    I am a member of the Anti season 4 thread but I am not campaigning for the show to be canceled and if I recall you did say you would listen to sound arguments well this is mine numbers don’t lie more people want Weir than don’t more of us don’t understand why this decision was made. Right now season 3 was my favorite for Atlantis season 4 has been hit or miss for me and feels off for me without Weir and Beckett as regulars. I really don’t like Keller I don’t think you guys created a good character for Jewel at all. I like Sam but not on Atlantis.

    Continuum question do Daniel & Vala have any scenes together any banter for me to look forward to with them.

  41. Hello Joseph =) sa va bien??

    Moi super =) Il y’a plein de sport aujourd’hui a la tv et notament une final Tsonga/Djokovic a l’Open d’autralie magnifique!!

    Vous aimez le Tennis?

    merci pour cette nouvelle video^^, elle est génial!
    J’ai une question…

    Esque des acteurs de sga a ont deja vu votre blog? quesqu’ils en ont penser?

    Bon aller kisou, je repasserais ♥

  42. Hi Joe,

    Quick question if you don’t mind. Was that Anna Van Hooft playing Flora in Harmony? Everything I read says it was her but she looks SO different than in Flash Gordon. Miracle of excellent makeup artistry? Flora’s voice did sound much like Van Hooft’s in Flash. Could you you settle this family conundrum? Cheers Joe!

    Harmony was AWESOME by the way! Too much fun!

    John

  43. I have to disagree with ‘wolfenm’. I don’t want relationships to become a focus, mainly because no-one can agree on who. And yea, Joe F. is right, we all have different views on what we want and who we want together. I know I do, and I know you’ll not do who I’d like, so all the more reason I’d like to it to be vague and UST so we can all take what we want when watching a episode.

    And I really, really disliked the Jack/Sam one forced down my throat on SG1 (thank god that line is getting chopped). Because that was team loyalty that got turned into something it wasn’t.

    So, yea, both sides of that argument. ::sigh::

    Oh God, you were going to force McKay and Katie together with a kid??!!??!! Yikes, I had better really send chocolate to Rachel L. for getting pregnant and moving the story to her, because, really, the only two characters on the show who can carry that off without huge loss to their jobs on the team is Teyla or Ronon. For the Earth crew, you don’t show famlies and/or kids on the base, it’s too dangerous. Would the IOA allow families on Atlantis? I think not. For Teyla/Ronon, it’s their galaxy. McKay having a kid would kick him back to Earth, and that’s something I DO NOT WANT!!

    Having Teyla be pregnant (thank you again for the dad being one of her people!) is actually a good move for Teyla’s character arc in general, and I’m surprised you didn’t think of her 1st when wanting to do the kid thing!

    I’m sorry, Katie is/was/continues to be really a bad match for McKay. She does not understand him at all.

  44. (Millers Crossing – Sadly, the scene in which Sheppard comes upon Ronon sitting in the motel room, watching Battlestar Galactica was cut).

    It’s a pity that bit got cut, Ronon’s lines were very, very funny. But hey, if it was for time constraints I guess in the end add revenue makes the show go on. 🙂

    And thank you for putting up those behind the scene clips, they’re a lot of fun to watch.

  45. Joe, another enjoyable post! Thanks for the poem & the breakdown of it! I Have yet to see all the eps!(Live in Australia) I have seen almost half of season 4 now, thanks to one of my friends for getting them to me! I have to have my Stargate fix. Its like my chocolate obbession. Yes! I said chocolate obsession.
    I cant go a day without it!

    Hope your being good without Fondy around?
    Take Care & happiness always!
    Cathie

  46. Hi, Joe.

    In watching “Harmony” again today (for the fourth time), I noticed in the closed captioning that they referred to Rodney’s handheld device as a PFD.

    PFD as in…?

    Really enjoyed “Harmony,” Jodelle was excellent as Harmony. When she mentioned to Shep she would be in need of a King in the future, I was laughing so hard…well, you know what happens to LOL (little old ladies) when they LOL (laugh out loud) way too much.

    (It’s a good thing I’m on supplemental oxygen!)

    🙂

    Best wishes and looking forward to “Outcast.”

    Morjana

  47. (Originally, we were toying with the idea of making Rodney and Katie parents. Of course, we couldn’t make two of our main characters parents. Is uncle-hood in the cards for McKay in season 5?)

    Recalling Sheppard’s “second base” line from “Quarantine,” I’d say Rachel’s pregnancy did the sci-fi world a big service. Rodney and Katie are definitely too young to be having sex. But McKay’s already an uncle to little Madison, so that question is answered. Whew!

    To quote Teyla: “ It is amazing how quickly he has been able to incorporate our science into his”. Truly amazing.)

    BINGO! Will the owner of the wee baby turtles please report to the lot. Your lights are on!

  48. I still think McKay is the father of Teyla’s baby.

    Looking for a way to pass on his brilliance to humanity before he dies in Tao, Rodney slips some of Carsons whiskey into the tea before the sacred ceremony for Teyla’s father.

    Nine months later a little Geekosian is born – strength of Teyla, brain of McKay – a mega-geek.

  49. “And a ghost from the past has us fearing the worst.” Does that line talk about Dr. Weir coming back in season 5?

    Also im going to be in Vancouver in a couple of weeks, what is a good French resturant for a first timer?

  50. Hi, Joe.

    The SGA segment on Extra! was preempted this Friday due to late breaking news (fire in Vegas, Heath Ledger), and is airing during Extra!’s weekend show.

    Morjana

  51. HEy Joe,
    I loved Harmony, great episode. Really funny and awesome stuff, well done.
    I loved the ending, great painting!
    Kudos!

  52. Is there a chance that Rodney and Katie might still get together? (Especially as you mentioned, you were toying with the idea of making them parents…)

  53. Je voulais aussi m’escuser car aparament dans un commentaire précédent j’ai avancer le superbowl d’un semaine lol ..je suis tellement impatiente que j’en pert même la notion du temp^^

  54. Just heard that Torri has said ata convention today she has not been approached by you to appear in seaon 5 of Atlantis as Weir… Very very disappointing, another viewer who will not tune in for seaon 5 if Weir doesn’t appear… Shame!

  55. While the late fallen one makes a surprised reappearance

    (The only clue that has yet to be revealed. Could Lucius Lavin be making his long-awaited reappearance? Stay tuned.)

    Hey this is very cheeky. A misleading comment.

    Are we going to see this fallen one making any surprising visits in season 5 too?

    Oh and I almost forgot. Does this poem finish with season 4 or are there any hints embedded for season 5 too?

  56. Just heard news about Torri not been asked back for season 5 yet. Is Weir still a recurring character in season 5?

  57. Thanks for the poem rundown. It was before my time on this blog, but it inspires me to try to find hidden meaning in the latest poem.

    Hahaha, Whangels! Some crack fic writer is probably stealing the idea right now. 🙂 And Sharyl’s video amuses me greatly. I don’t know if it was truly funny or if it’s just that I haven’t gone to bed yet and it’s almost 10am…

    Thanks Emily for the painting screen cap. I read people complaining that it’s stupid/humiliating/cruel and I start to feel bad about it, but then when I see the pic again I can’t contain the guffaws.

    I’m going to have to disagree with wolfenm as well regarding UST vs consummation, but for maybe different reasons. In a show like SGA I don’t particularly want ANY relationship beyond friendship. I’m watching for the action or the funky science or the funny banter, not because I want to see romance. I didn’t mind Rodney and Katie because she wasn’t a main character, the relationship wasn’t a driving force. If they ended up with a baby or something I might not feel the same way, their relationship might have “too much” of an impact on the show. We apparently already know Teyla’s love has met an unfortunate end. John’s bimbo of the week is never very serious, though I think it’d be funny to revisit them some time. I worry a little about Ronon and Keller because they are both main people. I can pretend the UST isn’t there if I don’t feel like seeing in (or I can imagine it’s there in spades when no one else sees it), but when things start getting a little hotter then it’s not so easy to ignore and it takes away from my OTP of Chuck/the gate or whatever. 😉

    Neb asked about the clue for Reunion, I’m pretty sure it refers to the evil Satedans as the enemy courting Ronon to join them again.

  58. I have to agree about Daniel stepping through the gate saying goodbye as being the saddest episode. I’ve only seen that in full once – I simply can’t make it through the whole thing again. About 15 minutes in I get all worked up and teary and just have to leave it. Which is unfortunate because I thought it was a really nicely done episode. (That obviously made its point.)

    I don’t know how I missed the poem from December… must go read it now!

  59. The walkie-talkie scene:

    Genii- What’s your status?
    Sheppard- (deep voice)Good.
    Genii- Elaborate!
    Sheppard- (still deep voice)Real Good.

    I was very much enjoying “Harmony” up to this point, then I was REALLY enjoying it! I was laughing loudly by the time it was done. The first half was great, the second half was genius!

    Good Job!

    If we needed more evidence that Rodney’s not mature enough for marriage, well, this was it. I kept waiting for him to call Harmony a poopy-face. 🙂

  60. In “Harmony”, McKay said that the planet was where drones were first created, how is this possible? Since we saw drones on Earth in the Ancient outpost and we know when the Ancients came back to Earth and had no hope of rebuilding/upgrading anything.

    Thanks,

  61. Bonjour Joseph,
    J’ai une bonne amie à moi qui va publier son premier roman en avril et je suis invitée à la soirée du lancement officiel. Je suis vraiment fière d’elle ! En fait, je me sens privilégié d’avoir des gens si talenteux auprès de moi qui me stimulent par leur passion. Voilà, j’avais juste envie de partager mon petit moment de bonheur ! (en fait, secrètement j’imagine que c’est moi qui publie mon premier roman !!! lol )
    Passe une très belle journée
    Morgia

  62. Saddest SG-1 moment had to be Janet Fraiser dying. At least we got Daniel back!

    Thanks for offering to post the deleted scene from Trio. I’m very curious to hear what Carter has to say… and do we get an interesting reaction out of McKay to her response?

    And how frustrating is it that we all seem more obsessed in a scene that landed on the cutting room floor than the whole episode itself? 🙂

  63. Hey Joe,

    I am not sure if you missed my other question. If you read it and could not answer then I apologize for the this one. My question was if you had any numbers for the Live + 7 for “BAMSR”. I was hoping for a nice high number. :p Thanks!

    Best,

    Squall78

  64. poundpuppy29 said: ‘numbers don’t lie more people want Weir than don’t, more of us don’t understand why this decision was made’

    This is complete jibber-jabber, the number of people who filled out the poll is almost one tenth of the overall number of users on Gateworld, the majority of us don’t really mind about the cast changes, because we accept the show is yours, we watch. Anyway enough brown-nosing.

    You’re walky-talky scene was so reminiscent of the walky-talky scene in Hot Fuzz, it made me laugh so much. Thanks for this episode it was very nice. Can I ask though if we’ll find out any more information about the mini-Drones, like see about making a drone-harppoon-esque gun?

    An idea I had this morning was turning the painting into an actual poster we the fans can buy from somewhere like Allposters.com. I’d buy it (hint hint). Thanks for an episode that was amazingly better than I was expecting. Not that I thought it would be bad, but normally I lean towards the action episodes, but this one was surprisingly entertaining.

    Thanks.

  65. Harmony was a great episode, granted the annoying attitude from Harmony drove me nuts for most of the show, but the work between all three was great and funny. I love this whole “I think I am in love with John” bit. The painting unveiled at the end was great! I loved it. I hope there is a photo soon, as I would like to place it on my desktop.

    Speaking of “Meridian” my mother and I started watching Stargate when it was on Showtime when it first aired. It was our “thing” to do together, watch Stargate and then talk about the episode, Daniel and Teal’c (she adored them) but when she saw Meridian, she refused to watch the series because Daniel was “dead.” It was all just a hissy fit as she watched it afterwards but she was so sad he was gone. I admit, I cried, how could I not? But I thought it was funny that my mother would be so upset about it. We laugh about it now lol

    As for the recent technological race we encountered this season…I do not know why but Larrin and her people get under my skin. I did not really like Travelers and cannot place exactly why but they got on my nerves. Maybe it was because we lost another ship to someone…who knows, but that show, although interesting, was in the “eh” category lol

    With regards to shipping. I am not fan of it, never was into it, I really do not get it, and am glad that the episodes are not filled with them. I think its great for the fans to have their shipping but I rather enjoy the little hints yall provide for us.

    Whatever happened to the ship Tria? Based on the photos you posted on 24 January of the funeral pyre, its correct to believe that Kannan is dead or will die? Will we learn more about him?

    It would have been awesome to see Ronan watching BSG! I wonder which version it was.

    Have a good day!

  66. am elf-ears said …

    I have to disagree with ‘wolfenm’. I don’t want relationships to become a focus, mainly because no-one can agree on who.

    Not to be hostile — I’m really not — but I’d like to point out that that’s not what I said at all. Read more carefully, please. My point was that the charge that a ship being consummated would ruin the relationship — or even the entire show — is, in my opinion, bogus. I never said that a ship *should* become the central focus — in fact, I specifcally suggested that they should *not*. I went on to say that, if a ship was the focus of a story(and I must clarify that I was not talking specifically about Atlantis, but rather was speaking in generalities), that it *is possible* to write aboyt relationships in a fashion that keeps them interesting after consummation. There’s a big difference between what I was actually saying and what you’re saying I said.

    Incidentaly, I happen to agree that ships (on Atlantis) are problematic because no one can agree on who should be in them — hence my remark about shipper wars. 🙂 (And yet, I find myself quite open to Ronon/Keller ….)

    And yea, Joe F. is right, we all have different views on what we want and who we want together.

    Joe F did not say anything of the kind in the interview I was talking about. Are you talking about a different interview, or did you misread me there, too? 😉

    Incidentally, I wonder if the American preference for unconsummated relationships and the insistence that consummated ones are uninteresting can be tied in any way to the high divorce rate of Americans? Perhaps people get as bored with their real-life relationships as they do with fictional ones? Is art imitating life or life imitating art? Perhaps if there were more stories that showed a positive and lasting post-consumation, we’d see an upswing in marriages with longevity in real life? Lead by example, so to speak?

    Joe M is happily married — do any of us think he is boring?? Would any of us want him to never mention Fondy ever, or even prefer he pretend he is a bachelor?

  67. Well just have to say that this season of Atlantis is great. The seasons are getting better and better, not unlike that of the great “exponential” theory. I plan on catching up on some episodes I’ve missed today at work. Technology is a wonderful thing. I work at a emergency command center and have seven screens to watch and work with so I can put one of them to good use. A day in the center can be like watching a glacier eat its
    way down a mountain or hours or weeks of sure hell. Thanks for Keeping Spirit up her at work for us.

    Best Wishes, Fortuna Interagency Command Center.

  68. MORE reasons to adore Carl Binder??

    “They’re *big* baskets…”
    “What are we going to put in them? Certainly not food!!”

    I LOVE that part of the episode (and the whole episode of course, but that exchange is what I remember the most!)

    I liked Harmony the episode, but you weren’t kidding about the precocious brattiness of Harmony the child. The mini drones were interesting in theory, but in practice they (and the reactions of the Genii) reminded me heavily of the little buggers in Defiant One and SG-1’s Prodigy (hey! another precocious brat!)

    Oh well. Fourteen years of show, and all that. 🙂

  69. Well loved the new episode mad me laugh at the end, Humor is a great addition to sci-fi genre’s. I missed a couple of episodes this season so I am going to watch them on one of my Seven Monitors her at the command center. Usually during the winter the hours go slightly slower than the last ice age. The hilarity of the episode was great. Although I had to sneak upstairs to watch it so my girlfriend would no try to interrupt me with some sort of trivial matter. Anywho looking forward to more great shows from the boys at the Fortuna Interagency Command Center

  70. Forgot to ask, was there some outside reason for Harmony not including the whole team (actors were busy) or was it just planned that way because? Was there thought about the inside reason for why Ronon and Teyla wouldn’t be there?

  71. Thanks for the analysis of the 2006 poem!

    I’m very glad to hear that we’ll get that “not so subtle” hint on your blog.

  72. Alas, the Whangels [and my idea] didn’t fly.

    It should have. I can’t believe you left the whales there. ;__;

    (Travelers – The Travelers were the first of the technologically advanced races we want to introduce to the Pegasus Galaxy. We’re working on another.)

    I’m looking forward to that. I enjoyed the idea behind the Travelers but sadly there had to be Larrin who ruined the episode for me, and made sure I won’t be watching it again. Still, a great idea and I’m hoping we’ll meet other interesting races in the future.

    Also, loved Harmony! I was quite annoyed by the girl’s brattiness in the beginning as it was directed toward Rodney, but it ended up being an awesome episode. Yes, the ending was perfect! XD

  73. Why don’t you just give Ronan head lice, believe me after battling that with my boys, cutting his hear off would be essential.

  74. “Too late the value of that friendship he’ll learn”

    Totally agree, Joe. The scene between Jack and Daniel in “Meridian” and Carson and McKay in “Sunday” fits perfectly. In the scene between Jack and Daniel that you’re referring to, I thought that Michael and Rick did a phenomenal job. IMO, very, very tough episode to watch.

    I’ve been concentrating so much on your most recent poem that I had forgotten about your 2006 one. Thank you so much for posting and explaining.

    danielfanforever

  75. Wow just read my comment and totally meant hair hear not! Must first comment and screwed up, sorry. If I ever try again will not have wine before, promise.
    Really looking forward to Daniel in next season. Like Atlantis, love SG1, mostly because of what Daniel represented.

  76. Hey Joe,

    Last night hubby and I went to our favorite Indian restaurant. We were surprised when we got there to see ownership has changed (as well as the taste of our favorite dishes). But more distressing, the service absolutely sucked. The waiter took twenty minutes to even come and ask us for our order, then never came around to ask if everything was ok, if we needed refills on our beverages(which we sorely did). All our attempts at hailing the waitstaff went unnoticed.

    Finally 45 minutes after serving our food, our waiter came to our table and gave us boxes to pack our food in to take home. Twenty minutes later and our bill still had not arrived. Hubby actually had to get up ask for our bill so we could leave.

    Hubby asked to see the manager and commented on the poor service. We didn’t even get so much as an apology. Hubby did not bother to leave a tip and promised we would not be back anytime in the next century.

    Have you ever had such an experience? How did you handle it? I’m still trying to recover from this bad experience. *shudder*

    Katrina

  77. Hi Joe,

    you said a few days ago that you (plural) haven’t spoken to Claudia Black since “Continuum”. Are you going to continue this strategy or there’s a chance that Brad Wright or Rob Cooper will invite Claudia to the third or perhaps fourth SG-1 movie? Vala is too important character to really big part of the audience and deserve a story in the movie as the MAIN character, devoted to her entirely.

  78. Emily, thank you for the screen Cap. I’m still hoping someone at MGM will recognise a hit item and offer up prints for sale. In the meantime the screen cap will provide me a chuckle whenever I need one.
    Wolfnm. I don’t think that Flanigan was being patronizing. He’s simply stating what he thinks is correct, based on prior television series. I disagree with him, but I can see why he made his comment. The fact is, most television writers seem to be rather…lazy(SG writers obviously not included). IT’s much easier to tease and tweak and revolve around consumating a relationship. It’s much harder to write about the characters once the initial consumation has taken place. And marriage…I can think of only one television show that handled that well. In ST: DS9 we were able to see one of the major characters handle a marriage, and still have some good(non-sexual) ships with other characters. They had to make O’Brian’s wife a recurring character, but they were successful in demonstrating that “consumation” wasnt the doom of the relationship. It simply takes writers willing to work at coming up with plausible scripts. Something I think the SG writers have demonstrated they can do. So, go for the Ronon/Keller romance. Heck, Teyla/Sheppard, Rodney/Sam…whatever relationships are created or broken up, some fans will not be happy.
    Erika, it’s good of you to keep “fighting the good fight” for Weir’s character, but I’m not sure you are very convincing with the polls. Scientifically, the numbers are meaningless. They are inately biased, and numerically they carrry no statistical meaning. As for not being approached yet, I’m not doubting Torrison. But there ARE 20 episodes in the next season. It could be that a planned arc with Weir isnt planned until later in the season, and it may simply be too early to initiate negotiations with her. Given the ending of BAMSR, I cannot imagine that we’d be teased with the promise of her re-appearance without some sort of payoff later. And while I miss her, and Beckett, I look at the show as an ensemble production. The loss of any one character may change the feel of the show, but does not mean the show is no longer worth watching. As for Keller, I havent been impressed with her myself, but with Quarantine I finally find myself beginning to like her character. And it took until Letters from Pegasus before Weir’s character “came alive” for me.
    Question for other posters. Does anyone have the SGA series one action figures? I was wondering which “extra” items came with the Lt. Colonel Sheppard figure. Dr. Weir came with a drone, a ZPM, and a copy of “War and Peace”. I was wondering if Sheppard too had a copy…count on marketing types to get things mixed up….

  79. Hey Joe,
    In the Season 3 DVDs, the snickers bar is still in (in fact, it is mentioned in the commentary). I actually didn’t notice it until I re-watched with the commentary.
    Jean

  80. Baal_527 said:

    “(Vengeance – Those unfortunate survivors of Inferno, ending up as test subjects for Michael’s mad experiments. To quote Teyla: “ It is amazing how quickly he has been able to incorporate our science into his”. Truly amazing.)

    Very nice hint hint nudge nudge Joe. Has anyone else picked up on this quote’s future importance?”

    Yeah, I asked Joe about this two times under different screen names a couple of weeks apart (was on 2 different computers). Joe said that there was a line in the last 3 episodes of Season 3 that explains partly how Carson comes back. I thought this was it. How about it Joe, was this line the hint?

    Sincerely
    NCC-72452 AKA Derek’s Wild Guess AKA Derek

  81. poundpuppy29 said: ‘numbers don’t lie more people want Weir than don’t, more of us don’t understand why this decision was made’

    ashman2 Said: This is complete jibber-jabber, the number of people who filled out the poll is almost one tenth of the overall number of users on Gateworld, the majority of us don’t really mind about the cast changes, because we accept the show is yours, we watch. Anyway enough brown-nosing.

    Then explain the results on the other polls too did you even read any of the posts from the other polls too. I think you just don’t like the results. The reason I did the polls on other boards was because I was trying to see if the general fan cared and this is the closest way to find out by a General TV site and a Star Trek site because not all of those users are on GW too for various reasons. I love GW because I love a good debate yes it can get testy there but I was curious to see how others thought about this subject it was a risk but I was happy with the results I did not pimp out these polls on GW or any where else I did them about a month ago to see if it would be similiar and they were. I have stated my case and presented my findings where’s yours to back your argument.

  82. I was just having an SG1 marathon with Season 2, and after watching Holiday couldn’t help but imagine Mckay and Ronon switching bodies. I think that would be really interesting.

    Of course, if you ever did it you’d have to listen to a bunch of morons yelling (or typing) about how it had already been done on SG1. I just think it would be interesting to see how the Atlantis characters would react.

  83. Good afternoon Joe

    Looks like Harmony is a hit. Can’t wait to watch it 🙂

    So how are you doing without Fondy??

    I’m attempting to make my first homemade lassange tonight… Hopefully I don’t kill it.. Have you made lassange before?

    I’ll let you know how it turns out.

    Oh and I’m finishing a book by Guy Gavreil Kay called Ysabel, I highly recomend it! It’s a good story and great visuals.

    Have a good one.
    Penny

  84. Bonne nuit Joseph,

    je vient de voir harmony et j’ai adoré^^, c’etait trés drôle.. je vous souhaite bon courage pour bien commencer la semaine qui arrive..Gros Bisou Venu de France. Je vous adore de tout mon coeur ♥a demain

  85. Where you inspired by the Dolphins in Hitchhiker’s Guide when thinking up the Whangels? It’s never too late to have a flashback to them leaving the planet!

  86. Wolfenm, I, for one, agree with you. I feel that if the writers make it obvious that two people have feelings for each other, and no realistic obstacles are in there way (say, like the military’s no fraternization rule), it’s just not realistic that it never happens.

    Take the X-Files for example. Mulder and Scully got together but it didn’t ruin the show. They were so obviously in love with each other that it would’ve been an insult to the audience to not get together.

    As for how it applies to SGA, personally the only possible ship that I’ve seen is McKay/Sheppard and I know that’s never going to happen (and I understand why). I guess maybe now Ronon and Keller, but that’s just starting out, so who knows!

  87. Just popping in to say I adored Harmony. Very, very funny episode yet poignant at times too. I adore Sheppard and McKay adventures, and this one was a classic. Loved the piccie at the end, I was rolling on the floor when I saw that, and Sheppard saying McKay made him want to cry too sometimes made me chuckle! There were so many great lines, I can’t possibly quote them all here, but please pass on my admiration to Martin Gero. I thought Jodelle was absolutely terrific as Harmony. What a star!

    Just got back from P3, where SheppyD and I persuaded Andee Frizzell to rip Shep’s shirt off and throw him round the room a bit next time a wraith queen has Shep at her feet – funnily enough, she didn’t take any persuading and thought it was a good idea…obviously a woman of great taste!

    Kavan agreed to SheppyD’s demands that if Lorne is barefoot and holding a gun to Sheppard again, that he will actually shoot him next time, and not be so inconsiderate as to get stunned by Ronon. And we have that in writing…Lol!

    I’ve seen the promo vids for Outcast, and I hope it’s ok to say this: SQUEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

    Yes, I know. I’m going to lie down quietly now!

  88. Harmony was hilarious! I love Jodelle Ferland! She was great in that episode. The interaction between her and McKay were so funny.

    I took your advice and looked for the books, but did they have them? No. Thanks anyway. I’ll have to look somewhere else. I did start reading a classic. Pride and Prejudice. Not sure if I’ll like it. I doubt it, but my choices were very limited.

    Thank you again for the suggestions.

  89. This is a pet peeve of mine – making corrections especially to my own writing. In my previous comment, I said “The interaction between her and McKay were (it’s supposed to be was) so funny.”

    It would’ve bugged me. Sorry.

  90. Torri Higginson has confirmed to fans that she hasn’t been asked to be part of season 5.

    I guess that proves all the naive peope who thought ‘revisiting her storyline’ meant Torri herself would be part of it were pretty wrong.

    This is your loss, though, and it’s a huge one.

    She, Joe Flanigan and David Hewlett have always been the best thing about this show, as far as I’m concerned. But somehow the Shep/McKay dynamic doesn’t seem as much fun without the wonderful Elizabeth to mediate between them.

  91. Sorry Wolfnm can’t agree with you. I think Joe F is right when he says we want sexual tension but that goes away when the couple get together.

    We had a news article in our local tv guide recently that said the very same thing. A large number of shows once they had members of the principal cast get together the show went downhill and ended up being scrapped.

    To show my age I loved Scarecrow and Mrs King and wanted the two main characters (Lee and Amanda)to get together, They were so right for each other, loved all the sexual tension. But once they got together the show was boring and uninteresting all the tension left and the ratings went with it.

    Not all of us are shippers. I for one watch the show for the action and adventure. If I wanted to watch a shippy show I’d watch soaps. I prefer Shep just the way he is nice and single and available lol.

    Poundpuppy29

    the polls you took have maybe 200 people giving their opinion and only those interested enough in the subject to vote. I’m sure many fans didn’t even know they existed, I certainly didn’t otherwise I would have voted against Weir coming back.

    There are over 1 million viewers out there and they are still watching the show, I think that proves that they are happy enough with the changes and don’t really care that much about Weir.

    I miss Carson, Weir not so much. I wasn’t keen on Sam coming over but after having seen the first half of season 4 I love it and don’t mind the changes at all. I’m even becoming a Sam fan, something I never thought I would say.

    We all have our likes and dislikes and obviously the writers can’t please everyone but Weir is gone, maybe she will come back in some story arc but her character is gone, the show is moving forward and Season 4 rocks!!! Enjoy it!! Your threats to stop watching aren’t going to bring Weir back they just mean you are cutting off your nose to spite your face because you are the one that will miss out on the best show on tv, the rest of us will go one watching and enjoying it.

    So Joe as far as I’m concerned Season 4 rocks and please keep the shippiness to the actual spaceships and not the characters.

    Jules from Aus

  92. Thornyrose said

    I don’t think that Flanigan was being patronizing. He’s simply stating what he thinks is correct, based on prior television series. I disagree with him, but I can see why he made his comment.

    Oh, I don’t think he was trying to be either — I mean, are people ever intentionally patronising? 🙂 But when I guy says something that suggests I don’t know my own mind about something — yeah, that tends to push my buttons. LOL Sorry if I flew off the handle.

    For next month’s issue of Sequential Tart, we’re covering shipping in my column, listing our fave couplings. I give a very long list of my own, a good number of which did follow the characters through marriage, or at least spent a good amount of time dating before their respective stories ended. Unfortunatley, some writers refuse to let a pair even kiss or admit that they have feelings, much less date! 🙁

    I was deliriously happy when they renewed the already-cancelled Kim Possible to give fans another season, one with Ron & Kim finally dating — and I think it was their best season! 🙂 And I totally agree about Miles and Keiko being great! Worf and Jadzia’s marriage was also great while it lasted (too bad the actress who played Jadzia wanted to leave), and Tom and B’Elanna’s too. Zoe and Wash were a great couple, even if they did start out married in the first place — it was nice that we got some flashbacks to their dating phase, too.

    Katie S said …

    I, for one, agree with you. I feel that if the writers make it obvious that two people have feelings for each other, and no realistic obstacles are in there way (say, like the military’s no fraternization rule), it’s just not realistic that it never happens.

    Exaaactly! If we want to share the characters’ lives, why shouldn’t that include their love lives? I’m not saying characters *have* to have a love live — really, there’s nothing wrong with celibacy — but if writers are going to be obvious about there being something going on between two characters, it makes no sense to me to not to develop their relationship along with the rest of the story!

    Katie S also said …

    Take the X-Files for example. Mulder and Scully got together but it didn’t ruin the show. They were so obviously in love with each other that it would’ve been an insult to the audience to not get together.

    Yeah, it’s too bad Duchovney had to go and leave right after — we didn’t even get to *see* that consummation, much less the details that led to it finally hapening, only his feet in her bed! 🙁 But I’m glad that we did get to see them together for the last few eps of the series, and now we have the next movie …

    Oy! *smacks self* Back to work, Wolfie ….

  93. Yep here is the proof in writing that Linzi mentioned 🙂 now you just have to make it happen Joe! We know that you want to make us lovely whumpers even happier than we already are 🙂

    http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e42/slcz3/shoot.jpg

    Please knock 38 Minutes off the top spot for us in s5! 🙂

    Oh and can I just say that Kavan was so lovely! What a pleasure it was meeting him (and in fact all the guests at P3)!

  94. I am of the opinion that if you “consumate” many of these potential pairings you just end up with a big “shipwreck”. No fun at all and your dream couple may just end up sunk.

  95. Good evening, I had an idea/question I thought I’d try and run by you. Is there any chance we’ll see an Atlantis version of Battlestar Galactica: Razor? It would be quite cool to either get a direct-to-dvd movie of the adventures of the Daedalus crew, or to have a two or three episode arc that focuses entirely on the Daedalus. I know people would complain about how it is ‘Stargate’ Atlantis rather than ‘Starship’, but I think they’d get over it.

    Have you ever considered doing that, or something similar, in the show, or having an episode following Lorne’s team rather than Sheppard’s? I quite like the idea of seeing the show from another perspective.

    Also, and finally, is there any chance we’ll ever see like a Flashback of Caldwell taking command of the Daedalus and flying it to Atlantis in the beginning, like racing against time to provide Atlantis with the ZPM? It could be like the episode of Iron Man where Stark has to relive various memories in order for his system to be kept alive by his suit.

    Thanks.

  96. On January 26, 2008 at 9:19 pm wolfenm Said:
    “I need to vent, and I’m curious as to what other readers think.

    I was watching Joe F’s 3rd Q&A on the Sci Fi site, and he answers the “what do you think of shipping?” Q with an answer that I am So. Bloody. Tired of!! Especially in light of Joe Quedada’s recent announcement that they’re retconning Peter/Mary-Jane right out of existence because “marriage is boring”.

    Anyway, Joe F suggested that we the fans *think* we want to see people end up together, but then that would ruin the sexual tension, which is what he thinks we *really* want.”

    (snipped)

    i have to totally agree with wolfenm’s feelings on this. i’m a shipper and i’m still waiting for my couple to get together (or at least shown/proven that they have). real ppl don’t act and react like this, in that they either move toward a relationship, move on, or DO SOMETHING TO BE TOGETHER, but they don’t sit in limbo land waiting for whatever it is they think it going to happen.

    i understand the realities of writing in that they want to keep the interest, but you have to hit while the iron is hot (interest is there), or you’ll end up with the underwhelming troi/riker of ship resolutions. (here it is shippers! wait, you’re not interested anymore? oh… you all died of old age. sorry ’bout that)

    sally 🙂

  97. Thanks for posting that behind-the-scenes video for Harmony. JoeF and David seem to be having a lot of fun. Do they always get along that well?

  98. Wolfenm.

    I totally agree with you on the UST issue! If a ship happens then let it happen but this silly teasing by writers in many shows… yeah even SGA of having one character kiss another in one ep but all forgotten in the next or just put down to “aliens made them do it” in the case of Stargate is just immature at best and treating the audience as if we are fools!

    Anyway I disagree with Joe F as well; is what I am saying.

    wolfenm, you need to watch Torchwood the sexual tension is totally resolved! lol

    *cough* Sorry Joe M for taking over your comments page there.

    And…to bring it back to you 🙂 I saw the trailer for Outcast that is on MGM’s site; can you tell me if this is a big John emotional ep or just more of “he fights that is what he does” ep?

    I would like to see the Sheppard facade lift a bit, like Jack’s was in SG-1 around his kid’s death.

    Thanks.

  99. On January 27, 2008 at 1:25 am elf-ears Said:
    “I have to disagree with ‘wolfenm’. I don’t want relationships to become a focus, mainly because no-one can agree on who. And yea, Joe F. is right, we all have different views on what we want and who we want together. I know I do, and I know you’ll not do who I’d like, so all the more reason I’d like to it to be vague and UST so we can all take what we want when watching a episode.”

    no luke/laura? no scarlett/rhett? no han/leia? no crichton/aeryn? no jack/rose? so no real couples, just so someone can pretend that their preferred couple ‘might’ get together? wow. 😕

    sally 🙂

  100. Torri Higginson has confirmed to fans that she hasn’t been asked to be part of season 5.

    I guess that proves all the naive peope who thought ‘revisiting her storyline’ meant Torri herself would be part of it were pretty wrong.

    Have you ….. people considered that just MAYBE the producers just haven’t asked her YET! We have no way of knowing what the schedule is or when they start asking the actors to come back. Hell I don’t even think we’ve heard anything about the regulars signing up for the next season yet! They are JUST starting getting ready for Season 5, there’s no way to KNOW when she will be asked. Why not calm the heck down and WAIT!

  101. Absolutely loved Harmony!! Total McShep epi!! We should more of those. I had to go read the poem and do the math. Hey! I’ve been away for awhile! I had some serious catching u to do!! Btw, Season 4 is the best yet. Can’t Not wait for Season 5!!

  102. Jules Said:
    Poundpuppy29

    the polls you took have maybe 200 people giving their opinion and only those interested enough in the subject to vote. I’m sure many fans didn’t even know they existed, I certainly didn’t otherwise I would have voted against Weir coming back.

    There are over 1 million viewers out there and they are still watching the show, I think that proves that they are happy enough with the changes and don’t really care that much about Weir.

    I miss Carson, Weir not so much. I wasn’t keen on Sam coming over but after having seen the first half of season 4 I love it and don’t mind the changes at all. I’m even becoming a Sam fan, something I never thought I would say.

    We all have our likes and dislikes and obviously the writers can’t please everyone but Weir is gone, maybe she will come back in some story arc but her character is gone, the show is moving forward and Season 4 rocks!!! Enjoy it!! Your threats to stop watching aren’t going to bring Weir back they just mean you are cutting off your nose to spite your face because you are the one that will miss out on the best show on tv, the rest of us will go one watching and enjoying it.
    First off I didn’t say I was going to stop watching I am unhappy with the cast changes but I am still watching for Teyla, Ronon, Zelenka and somewhat Sheppard and Rodney I am sorry if my complaints are bothering you but I am not going to shut up I am not alone either Joe knows that he gets the letters I know. I can back up my arguments with the polls I showed you. You could say you don’t agree with it but please don’t dismiss it. The decision may have been made but fans have made a difference before it has happened in this franchise remember the Daniel wars I wasn’t around then but I have read plenty about it and they did make a difference. I don’t think it just a small amount online either that are upset.

  103. Loved Harmony for all the reasons already expressed in previous comments. It was a truly fun McKay/Sheppard episode.

    Any chance for more McKay/Teyla interactions in Season 5?

    That seems to be the one friendship that hasn’t been explored much. (just to be clear, I’m talking just friendship here…)

  104. Thanks for the screen cap Emily! I took a mobile phone pic of my screen last night (we’re not desperate are we? noooo) and now it’s my wallpaper on the phone LOL.

    Hey all you arguing about Weir! Take it somewhere else. Your polls don’t mean anything unless you’re taking large samples of the audience, not just those who bother clicking into GW and similar sites.

    To ship or not to ship? May I remind you that 90% of X files had the sexual chemistry between Mulder and Scully enticing watchers throughout the seasons Duchovny played in. Their moment was near the end. He left, Robert Patrick took over and it was never the same …hence the beginning of the end.

    Chris Carter must know the element of antici………..pation. Leaving the kiss until the end was the best thing he could have done.

    No real shipping please. Just tease the heck out of us!! It’s painful but delicious!

  105. Poundpuppy said
    I can back up my arguments with the polls I showed you.

    Oh please 46 yes 31 no, 7 yes 6 no, oh Joe is so going to give in and admit he was wrong with figures like that.

    I bet some of those voters voted more than once.

    Again I say over 1 million fans watching the show and from the comments I’ve seen they love it, me included.

    The show is just fine without Weir, in fact Season 4 is fast becoming my favourite season. Can’t wait to see the rest of season 4 and roll on season 5.

    Atlantis rocks!!

    Jules

  106. Hi Joe,
    First I would like to say that I really enjoyed Harmony. I didn’t think I would, but I’m glad I decided to get it on Itunes. It was a good laughed well needed. Thanks.
    Question 1)Lately,season 3 and beginning of season 4, we’ve only seen either Teyla spar with Ronon or John spar with Ronon. Are we every going to see John spar with Teyla again?
    2)I was also wondering if we will see Sheppard ever get any other ancient abilities like; forsight, healing, etc? Even if it’s temporary or one ep.

  107. Answer: It is truly on the cutting room floor. I’ll post the unedited exchange after Trio has aired.

    I’ll give you 20 bucks in the currency of your choice to leave it on the cutting room floor.

    K

  108. Hey Joe,

    Love this season of Atlantis, I never really watched Atlantis until Carter moved over, now I’m busy catching up and its really great! I just wanted to comment about the line in trio that was cut out (or was it? people seem to be talking alot about it..) I’m not a big shipper person or anything, I love spaceships and stuff blowing up as much as the next girl :), but I’m also a grad student in Literature, and it seems if this “thing” in the relationship between the characters of Sam and Jack has been set up for so long and then just kinda left hanging out there, to be brought up again and then just sort of dropped, wouldn’t it be good to just resolve it? It kind of seems like bringing it up in the first place was a little pointless and awkward if nothing ever happens with it. (plus it makes you think that Sam and Jack must be the two most romantically inept characters out there if they can’t get it together in 10 or 11 years lol)

    Anyway love SGA, wish I’d started watching sooner…great to have Carter in command!

    ~Kegan K.

  109. Y’know, I’m pretty sure I remember the Snickers bar. I’ve definately seen screencaps of it!

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