I’m usually not one to check out DVD commentaries because I find them not all that interesting and, quite frankly, a little depressing. Still, with ten minutes to kill in my cardio work-out sometime last year, I decided to check out the commentary on an episode of a terrific HBO series I was watching on DVD. I found it both interesting and a little depressing. The commentary was being done by two of the series leads. As the credits flashed by, one of the actors commented on the fact that he had been nominated for an Emmy award. His co-commentator noted that the show had also received a nomination in another category – which the first actor jokingly dismissed as “one of those awards nobody cares about”. Well, nobody cares about except the people who actually worked really hard to design or build or dress or light those sets, or design and create those costumes, or edit that scene to make said actor look that much better.
All too often, the people in front of the camera receive all the accolades while the people behind it are generally ignored. So I’d like to dedicate this blog to the unsung heroes who work really hard behind the scenes of both Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis. And specifically, in today’s entry, I’d like to make special mention of our Art Department who did a spectacular job on the wraith set at Norco. A big thanks to Production Designer James Robbins, Supervising Art Director Tom Wells, and the rest of the gang – Scott, Melanie, Mira, Dona, Boyd, Keri-Lynn, and Jennifer. Also a big thanks to director Will Warring and Director of Photography Michael Blundell for doing such a masterful job of shooting and lighting that remarkable set. Great job, everyone! Now get back to work so we can do it all over again next week.
I visited not one but two sets today – The Ark of Truth and Reunion – so I snapped plenty o’ pics: Our fearless leader Brad Wright takes the captain’s chair, Ivon Bartok shooting footage for a behind-the-scenes feature on the first movie, Ben Browder feigns polite interest as director Robert Cooper tells him what’s what, director Will Warring hides behind his invisible book, shots of the wraith set, the ultra-talented Michael Blundell, my new office chair, Brad’s WGC show runner of the year award, and David Hewlett carbing up before his big scene.
No mailbag today as Fondy, Martin and I are heading out to check out the new restaurant on the block: Chow’s. Will report back with pics. You know I will.
One thing that I think surprises fans about the actors on shows is that they’re not nearly as excited about the show or the genre as the fans are. From your experience, what percentage of the actors that have worked on Stargate, especially the guest stars, are actually into sci-fi? And do you find that there is a larger portion of behind-the-scenes people that are fans of the show/genre than those in front? Or is it all just a job for everyone?
Hey Joe!
Wondering if there is going to be an Australian patch shown in stargate atlantis, also what your favorite chinese food??
Joe –
Kudos to all the “behind-the-scenes” staff who make SGA happen!
I’m one of those people that bought all the special edition LOTR DVDs and watched the endless hours of “extra-features” that showed all of the work and effort went into the sets, props, clothes, computer graphics, stunts, etc. It fascinated me to see such a committed group of people, on probably one of the most intense movie shoots ever, working together 24/7 to pull it off. I think what impressed me the most was the common vision these people had to be authentic to the work and to do the books justice.
I am sure the staff working on SGA are cut of the same cloth. They have to find ways to make the impossible possible and turn people’s creative vision into a reality. No small feat, to be sure. YAY to them!
Here’s my question for the day:
If you could invite any three people to dinner for good food and good conversation, who would you invite, what would be on the menu and why?
Cheers!
SMB_BOOKS
I’d like to say “thank you” to you and everyone else behind the scenes on Stargate SG-1 and Atlantis! Your hard work truly shows.
You said you don’t like to check out DVD commentaries, but I noticed you did quite a few for the season nine DVDs. (I especially liked your commentary in Ripple Effect with Michelle Comens.)
1. Who decides who does a commentary for an episode? 2. What’s it like doing one?
I don’t usually listen to them either, but I did check out Ripple Effect.
Dido with the Aussie patch. Not only is Aus. one of America’s military allies, our scientists have been leaders in invention like the blackbox, pacemaker, bionic ear, spray on skin for burn victims, the list could go on. The only thing is that there is nothing worse then an actor who is not an Aussie trying to talk with an Aussie accent = ridiculous.
Question: Do you guys often play practical jokes on each other and if so what are some examples?
In most of the pics, the cast and crew are seen wearing sweaters and jackets. How cold is it on set?
Sorry, Joe, but what you say in this blog is just about total bullshit. No, the behind the scenes guys don’t get the kind of adoration and fanfare that the actors get. That’s the nature of the business, and I’m pretty sure you guys all know that going in. But all of you behind the scenes people on Stargate get a lot of credit and praise from the fans. You read online enough to know that many, many of the fans who take the time to post online and who love the show do in fact take the time to comment on the sets and the effects. The writers, producers, and directors all get critiqued, praised, and lambasted over each outing, just like the actors. The fans may not know every single person’s name or the job they do, but to suggest that nobody cares about them isn’t exactly accurate either.
Amber Piccone
So I’d like to dedicate this blog to the unsung heroes who work really hard behind the scenes of both Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis.
Would they have had something to do with the pleasing shot of a puddle jumper doing an explosive flight in reverse through a wall in the control tower? A puddle jumper dodging drones? The lovely lighting and the texture of Echoes? The way the Daedalus looked facing down the sun? How about that deep, deep underwater feel of another ep? And that fantastic sequence with a weapon release followed by a beam attack (complete with steam, ah) and a big disintegrating rock? I can’t name all the moments that have fed my sci-fi-lovin’ soul, but I do I see your point.
Pass on my thanks as well.
By the way, Spiderman 3 starts running at 9:45 AM where I live. That’s plenty of time to see it twice and make it home for The Shroud and Tao!
Lol.
(Oh I’m such a geek)
EC
Joe,
Who is your favorite secondary (not main cast) to write into scenes?
Wow those sets look awesome! And I totally agree, without the behind the scenes people no way would a show look anywhere near as billiant and captivating.
Out of curiotisy which HBO show was it? we won’t tell!
Hi Joe,
I really enjoy reading your blog and thought I would post tonight regarding your comments about the behind the scenes people.
When I was a kid my Father worked for CBS, did a lot of work for T.V. Guide and Art Director for someplace else that I won’t mention. The stress level can be very high but for him it was never any big deal. He had a huge sense of humor and could always laugh at himself.
One reason that I enjoy reading your blog so much is that you seem to have a great sense of humor. I love that! So I just wanted to say thank you.
On a side note I read Michael’s blog today and loved it too. He was so funny. I haven’t seen “The Shroud” yet but after reading what he had to say I’m looking forward to it now more then ever. I love it that Michael can make fun of himself.
A special thanks to both of you for taking the time to talk to the fans and an extra special thank you for both having such a great sense of humor. (((HUGS)))
Hey Joe,
Any great endeavor involves teamwork. Glad to see you give kudos to the brillant work done behind the camera.
Also, I’m coming up to Vancouver and need to find a really good chocolate fudge place. Fudgaholism is rampant in my family, and I’ll be maimed if I don’t bring back some good stuff. Any suggestions?
“We can’t be going online and checking out who the most popular character is this week on GateWorld, basically write the script for them. Everybody seems to support a Sheppard/Weir pairing more than a Sheppard/Teyla pairing so let’s do a Sheppard out on a date episode with Weir, it’s just not something that we do.”
About this comment from you: I don’t think anyone expects you to show people out on dates or anything like that. What confuses people is that YOU KNOW THIS. You know that Shep/Weir has more support than Shep/Teyla. It’s not even something you need to check every week. It’s there for everyone to see. There are at least three-four times as many Shep/Weir fans as Shep/Teyla fans.
Why, then, did someone make the decision to drop Torri to recurring, probably never to be seen after four episodes? It defies logic. You KNOW she has more fans than Rachel. That’s not to say that Rachel should be the one who’s going. None of the existing cast deserves to be going.
But seriously. So many Torri and/or Shep/Weir fans have said that they’ll watch her four episodes of season four and no more. You’re voluntarily losing fans, and I don’t understand why you’d want to do that. These people aren’t being vindictive when they say that they won’t watch. They’re stating a fact. They’re losing their favourite character and/or favourite element of the show (in their perceived ship)
For the sake of your show and the fans, please include Elizabeth in more episodes of season four.
Most of the people who are saying they’ll stop watching don’t actually want to give up on the show for good, but they will without their favourite character or favourite interaction. And that will be your loss in the long run.
I hear you about the DVD commentaries but I enjoy listening to them. In fact, the commentaries are generally what gets me to buy the DVD since for the amount of time I’m going to spend rewatching a show, a videotape of the broadcast version is sufficient.
Hence it is disheartening when the commentators don’t take what they are doing seriously or use it for their own ends. I’ve just recently gotten the second season of an HBO series which delighted me with its commentaries in the first season. Imagine my annoyance and anger when the first episode (a two parter) featured commentary by the two lead males, who announced that they weren’t going to say anything for the hour and pretty much kept their word. The few things they said were utter nonsense and at the end they congratulated each other for not saying anything.
The second half of the two parter was done by the female leads who did talk about the episode and were enjoyable to listen to. And the creator did another hour and he was interesting as well.
Even some of SG’s commentaries leave much to be desired. Cast and crew can talk about anything connected with the episode, the show, and each other and keep me interested, but when a certain pair would descend into bathroom humor and innuendo remarks, and about some barbecue one of them had that the other attended and about some minor guest actor whom they worked with in a play a decade ago — then I think it’s understandable that people get upset. When friends of mine would complain to me, I’d tell them to write the studio home entertainment division and complain there.
Nobody is looking for Einstein in these commentaries, just a look behind the scenes — what someone was thinking when he did that — what one is watching if there is something special to note that we may not catch — anything entertaining going on that we missed not being there — what changes might have occurred — why something was done, etc. etc.
I realize that the actors, writers, directors, and crew who do these things do them for little or no money (having many a friend who have done them), but still it isn’t far to listen to two commentators tell you they aren’t going to say anything and let the silence play out or have a vaudeville show going on.
By the way, the best DVD commentary I’ve ever heard was by Edward Zwick for “Last Samurai”… for every scene, he talked about why he chose the location that he did or how he chose to do the scene in terms of what it did for plot, characterization or tone. It was the most fascinating and informative time I’ve ever spent listening to a DVD commentary.
grace said…
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Why, then, did someone make the decision to drop Torri to recurring, probably never to be seen after four episodes? It defies logic. …..
For the sake of your show and the fans, please include Elizabeth in more episodes of season four.
Here we go again..
You know, after seeing the same emotional plea being made over and over, Joe may decide to give you your wish of 20 episodes.
As the writer he can place Elizabeth in a wheel chair after some accident or attack. She will have lost the ability to move or speak. He could then put her in all 20 episodes for about 20 seconds each with one of the crew looking in her room asking the nurse how she is doing and getting the same answer of “no change” week after week.
Sometimes four is not bad and twenty is not good.
Is Torri coming back? Do you get tired of this question? If I keep asking will it make you want to bring her back or be sure to make her gone for good or do you just ignore it?
Hi Joe:
I hope your dinner was spectacular.
Have I got a deal for you! If you can help me set up a wrestling match between Jason Momoa and Chris Judge at my next chocolate party in Vancouver (April 2008), I’ll buy you dinner at any restaurant in Vancouver.
What does David Hewlett think of being nominated for a Spacey Award?
Have a great day,
Patricia
Reading your blog makes me feel a little more of a part of something I love.
I’ve been into fandom since Star Trek, I grokked Spock. Fandom has been my therapy, helped me through crises like a divorce and yet I still have a life :o)
Thanks so much for sharing and please keep on ‘gating.
But seriously. So many Torri and/or Shep/Weir fans have said that they’ll watch her four episodes of season four and no more. You’re voluntarily losing fans, and I don’t understand why you’d want to do that. These people aren’t being vindictive when they say that they won’t watch. They’re stating a fact. They’re losing their favourite character and/or favourite element of the show (in their perceived ship)
I did downgrade SG1 from “must see” to “well if there’s nothing else on” when Doc Frasier was offed.
Oh here we go again – Shep/Weir fans assuming they know who the fans prefer, just because of a few polls on one online forum. Most people don’t bother with any of these polls and it’s usually the shep/weirs who flock to them again and again trying to prove that everyone loves Weir and Shep/Weir. Well sorry to disappoint you but not everyone likes Weir or Shep/Weir and because a few obsessed fans post over and over it doesn’t give any realistic indication as to the numbers. McKay has a huge following but his fans don’t enter these polls, so the fact that he isn’t high an any poll doesn’t mean that he hasn’t got lots of fans. The same goes for Teyla and the other characters.
GW is just one fourm out of many and there are other forums where other characters have a much higher following than Weir. Because some fans cannot spend all day posting on forums, it doesn’t mean they are not fans of certain characters. If all the Weir fans who keep moaning on here leave, it will make NO difference to ratings because the casual fan couldn’t care less about pairings or a character that doesn’t even get a lot of screentime. If Weir is such a popular character and the key to the ratings soaring, why then are the ratings for season three continueing to fall?? As far as I know Weir is still around. Casual fans have no idea about the changes and as I said probably couldn’t care less – all they are interested in is getting good and interesting stories, and season four promises this from all the spoilers we have had so far.
Well, nobody cares about except the people who actually worked really hard to design or build or dress or light those sets, or design and create those costumes, or edit that scene to make said actor look that much better.
(darn return button the first time)
Well, nobody cares about except the people who actually worked really hard to design or build or dress or light those sets, or design and create those costumes, or edit that scene to make said actor look that much better.
Pfft on anyone who doesn’t care about the behind the scene (well camera) crew. Yes, its hard, long work but without the “little people” you would have no end product.
I could sit and watch them doing their jobs and not be bored one single second. And hopefully one day (sooner than later) I get to be one of those lucky (well I think so) few that get to work that way.
So, yes kudos to the ENTIRE behind the scene staff. This fan appreciates the hard work everyone does. Honestly. Please pass along the comment to them.
And if anyone on the SGA staff complains about their job Joe (like they have a reason too!)-I’ll just jump on the first flight to Vancouver and take their place. I work cheap! 🙂
Best wishes and chocolate!
Joe,
Yesterday you mentioned series that ended on cliffhangers without a real resolution. I’m curious as to how far in advance you’d get warning about the cancellation of a show like SGA. Would you have sufficient time to wrap up existing storylines, and try to make the series end seem as though it were planned from the start of the season? Or would it be a case of getting notice of the cancellation so late that there are only one or two episodes remaining in the season to tie up as many outstanding storylines as possible?
(Please don’t take this as a wish for SGA to end! That’s definitely not the case).
Also, on a more serious note (not!), will you please confirm how many season four episodes Monty, the radioactive gopher, will be in? Is there anything I could say or do to convince you to put Monty, the radioactive gopher, into more episodes? There are, after all, lots of Monty/Zelenka fans who will be tuning in just for our ‘ship. Please, don’t disappoint us, Joe!
🙂
Will we see any new class of ship from our enemies such as the ori, wraith or asurans
I love audio commentaries. If you want to watch a commentary where the people who work behind the scenes get loads of praise you should listen to a Martin Wood commentary on Stargate, SG1 or Atlantis. He talks about the great script, the great work done by the art department, the lighting, the special effects, the stunts. He does talk about the actors, but not too much. Some people who would only be names scrolling the screen at the end if I didn’t listen to the commentaries/watch behind the scenes things – James Bamford (BamBam), Carl Binder, Christina McQuarrie, James Roberts, Joel Goldsmith, Wray Douglas, Bruce Woloshyn, Brenton Spencer. Loads of people that I know who they are now..Chuck Campbell! Ok he’s an actor but he’s not a main cast member (I think he gets about three words to say every other episode – write him more lines!!) and the first time I ever heard of him was on a commentary. I don’t normally write this much in a post but this is a big part of why I love Stargate. You hear other shows talking about how they are all just one big family but with Stargate I actually believe it. From the guy who sat an waved a branch about in ‘The Storm/The Eye’ to the actors, writers and directors, everyone is important. Even the fans are made to feel a big part of the family. I love your show!
Okay, now that I’ve posted that I need to get back to my normal short post.
I think that guy behind David is going to take a swing a him for stealing all the crisps! – see, family!
Have to disagree with Amber. The bulk of people can’t tell you who the set designer is or the art director or the countless number of crew are who actually bring it all to life.
Sure. I bet it makes the crew quite happy when they see glowing comments about the sets and/or lighting. But you just don’t see people going around going, “Dang. Marty really managed to make that gold foiling look ancient, didn’t he?” I think it’s all a matter of level.
So please pass on to your entire crew that it is much appreciated, even if we’re entirely too uneducated about the process to be able to say so with any sort of intelligence.
As for DVD commentary? It’s an art that some either don’t want to or are unable to get. But Stargate has, for the most part, provided a nice balance between production and acting commentaries. And, except for a few mischievous types, they manage to add some depth to the episode.
Without the people behind the camera, the people in front of the camera wouldn’t have anything to show, would they? The crew carry the show farther than any actor could on his or her own. As a front and center-type person myself, I can still acknowledge this.
Everyone behind the scenes deserves more credit than they do. I know most award ceremonies don’t televise a lot of the behind the scenes-type awards, besides director and possibly photography… I kind of wish they would, because I’d love to watch some of these people get more recognition.
Nice sets, they look pretty elaborate. Good to see you guys have a decent budget for the movies. Also, thanks for Ben and David pics.
Clare
I was wondering about all the worry for Weir. I know your down grading her show status but i was wondering if thats all? I do know that she doesn’T have a very active role in season 4 as to previous years and I TRUST YOU TO MAKE STARGATE ATLANTIS WHAT EVER YOU WANT.(gulp)
P.S. Who is Teyla’s babies DADY.
I read the unsettling post from Amber Piccone and i just wanted to say that
she is stupid for say YOUR BLOS IS BS.
IS SOMEBODY GOING ON THE BLACKLIST.
lol
JOE YOU ROCK AND ANYONE WHO SAYS DIFFERENT YOU CAN SEND MY WAY.
Hi!
Someone asked this on GW and now I’m interested in knowing as well. What’s Elizabeth’s mother’s name? Was it ever said on the show?
Just because its on topic I’m totally a DVD junkie. Commentaries being the number one selling point. There are a lot of movies I won’t get due to the lack of a commentary track. (At least one!!, preferably more)
And to SMB: The LOTR EE DVDS are awesome! There’s no telling how many times I’ve watched the Appendices on all of them. I’ll pop them in for background noise while I’m on the computer and then (even though I’ve seen them so many times) find myself turned in the chair watching them and getting the next set out so I can pop them in.
I’d like to add my admiration for the behind the scenes folks. No show would make it on the air without the hard work of all these people.
And I’d also like to second the comments of the person puzzled about your remarks regarding the Sheppard/Weir ship situation.
One thing that most non-shippers misunderstand about us shippers is that we want to turn the show into a soap opera. Nothing could be further from the truth. Most of us who ship S/W like the way their relationship has progressed and just want it to continue. Easing these two into a closer relationship would be so simple and would not need to disrupt any part of the show. I, for one, appreciate your acknowledgement in the interview that we do indeed exist and make up the larger shipper group.
Obviously there is more to the change in Weir’s situation than we are privy to. We appreciate your struggle to bring us the best show possible. We just don’t see how that will appeal to us if Torri is not around on a regular basis.
Please reconsider your decision and bring Torri back full time. Such an easy way to make so many people very happy.
Hi there Joe!
Yes, I agree, applause is due to all the behind-the-scenes gang.
I’m always interested in finding out what certain items of scenery are actually made of. It looks so expensive on screen, then you find out it’s made from bubblewrap or something!
Just catching up with your blog and I have to say I liked your choice of fave TV shows. I remember ‘Get Smart’. It was funny right from the opening scene. I’m sure Homer has started an episode of ‘The Simpsons’ in a similar way! Obviously, Matt Groening remembers that show to!!
Also, you really have to try and see the anime ‘My Neighbour Totoro’ when you can. Probably the most adorable animated film I’ve ever seen.
Anyway, thanks again for all the great photos. Another one of Mr.Flanigan would be most greatly appreciated please!!
Have a bliss day!!
Hi Joe,
have you ever listened to Claudia and Ben’s commentaries on Farscape DVDs? You can say everything about them except that they’re depressing, definitely.
BTW, thanks for Ben Browder/Rob Cooper pic. Now I’m still patiently waiting for Claudia Black’s pic at The Ark of Truth set.
Kudos to recognizing the folks behind the scenes. Having visited some working sets, I can say they’re the most down-to-earth, hard-working people I’ve ever met. And set dressers can do magic with cardboard and alumnium foil to make you think you’re looking at a lethal sword, but it’s not 😉
OMG, thank you so much for the pics! (esp. Ben and David). You rock Joe!
Is that a new Atlantis uniform I spy David wearing?
I completely agree with your comment on the people that work behind the scenes, those people deserve medals. Any chance you could get a group photo together of a bunch of the backstage heroes? 🙂
Yay! You mentioned Fondy! Not heard much about her in a while, I hope she’s well.
You know, I’ve always been the type of fan who’s more interested in what happens behind the camera rather than in front of it — I think concept art and storyboards and animatics are so fascinating — and I know a lot of people like me, but yeah, the majority of the tv/movie viewing public don’t know how productions are run.
But that’s why I think DVD commentaries and behind the scenes segments are so important. I love hearing Martin Wood talk about lighting or how great a steadycam operator Nathaniel Massey is, or how much water they used in The Eye. That kind of stuff makes me appreciate the show more, so it was great that MGM (or whoever was in charge of the DVDs) knew the value of these extras and included so many into the S2 DVD set. That said, is there any chance of you and Paul doing commentaries for your episodes in this season or future seasons, or does your showrunner job leave you with too little time as it is?
But back to the DVD specials — I LOVED Danger Beckett, the cuter, younger brother of that guy who’s no longer on the show. Now that Carson’s gone (somewhat, this is scifi after all), it’s Danger’s time to shine and thus, he NEEDS to be in more episodes. In fact, I’ll stop watching because you once said… somewhere… that he actually wasn’t coming back. I don’t enjoy the show as a “show,” see, I watch it for Danger ONLY, and for the chance that he might get together with the Chucknician. So your loss. Nyah.
Southern Red said…
And I’d also like to second the comments of the person puzzled about your remarks regarding the Sheppard/Weir ship situation.
One thing that most non-shippers misunderstand about us shippers is that we want to turn the show into a soap opera. Nothing could be further from the truth. Most of us who ship S/W like the way their relationship has progressed and just want it to continue. Easing these two into a closer relationship would be so simple and would not need to disrupt any part of the show.
You see, as a non-shipper I would have a big problem with ‘easing the two of them into a closer relationship’. Thus you wouldn’t be having things continue the way they are, you’d be changing things.So it would disrupt the show for me. Weir is, or ahem, was, Sheppard’s boss, and it would be so unprofessional to have those two being anything other than colleagues and friends that I would feel very let down for both of the characters if they became ‘closer’ in the romantic sense.
I personally have never seen any sign of romantic interest between the two characters, but I refuse to speak for any other fans of the show with blanket statements, saying many agree with me, because I just don’t have access to that sort of information.
Just because some online, hardcore fans are ardent shippers, doesn’t mean anything about the viewing public as a whole, anymore than who’s the ‘favourite, best loved’ character polls on websites do.
The decision about Weir’s future has been made, and how could any fan possibly know it would make ‘many’ people happy to have her back as a regular? Characters are reduced in screentime for a sound reasons. It’s just that’s it’s not for us to be privy to that information.
I do appreciate the behind the scenes staff of the two shows. I do know many of the names of the cameramen, costume designers, directors, writers etc..but, I don’t think anyone other than an obsessed, I mean, passionate fan would, so it’s important that these people do get their dues, I agree.
First, Joe, please pass on a very big “THANK YOU” to everyone behind the scenes. They ARE the unsung heroes of any producton. And their work is greatly appreciated by a number of us fans.
As far as commentaries on DVDs are concerned…I usually enjoy them. There has only been one movie (the title of which escapes at the moment) which had the most boring commentary on the face of the planet on it. I believe it was someonefrom the art department who first, spoke completely in monotone and secondly, appearently only worked on part of the movie – not unusual, I know – but knew absolutely nothing about anything else that happened in connection to the production. Whenever any scenes came up that he had not worked on, he simple said “I didn’t do any of this.” and stopped talking. He ended up talking only for about twenty minutes of the two hour movie.
If I may recommend to you – the cast commentaries on episodes on Babylon 5 are some of the best I have ever heard. Seasons 2 – 5 and the movie collection each feature one show with members of the cast commentating. They are funny and filled with behind the scenes information and even running jokes on set. Also series creator Joe Straczynski’s commentary on the last episode of the series is very touching.
Hey Amber – what a fantastic example of a backhanded compliment! Boy, you sure know how to make those behind the scenes people (including, *ahem* the writer of this blog!) feel good about themselves! 😆
grace said
What confuses people is that YOU KNOW THIS. You know that Shep/Weir has more support than Shep/Teyla. It’s not even something you need to check every week. It’s there for everyone to see. There are at least three-four times as many Shep/Weir fans as Shep/Teyla fans.
Gee, or maybe the Shep/Weir fans just shout louder and make more noise. I’d like to see your market research that proves the 3- or 4-1 ratio of Shep/Weir to Shep/Teyla fans.
The thing is, just because YOU like/prefer/enjoy one particular aspect of a show, doesn’t mean everyone else does and even *if* you and those who feel the same as you are in the majority, it still doesn’t mean you are right and everyone else is wrong and it still doen’t give you any kind of entitlement to insist that your preferences be pandered to.
Different fans like different things and the suggestion that the show should be written to accomodate which characters/ships/storylines/whatever has the most “fan support”
is ludicrous. IMO.
Southern Red said…
Most of us who ship S/W like the way their relationship has progressed and just want it to continue. Easing these two into a closer relationship would be so simple and would not need to disrupt any part of the show. I, for one, appreciate your acknowledgement in the interview that we do indeed exist and make up the larger shipper group.
Well I heard something completely different in his comments than you did apparently. Joe’s examples of ship popularity were hypothetical and didn’t necessarily reflect what *he* thought or saw as more popular on GW. As if that mattered even a little bit. GW is only one of *many* forums and fan communities on the net. His comments were a nice way of saying he knows they don’t reflect the whole fandom. I’m glad they won’t be making any story decisions based on polls there or based on what is more popular there cause in the end, its only a very distorted view of a much larger picture.
In light of Weir only being in four episodes next season added to his comments in the interview, I fail to see how you think there will ever be any hope for a romantic relationship between Weir and anyone, let alone Sheppard. But that’s just me.
“About this comment from you: I don’t think anyone expects you to show people out on dates or anything like that. What confuses people is that YOU KNOW THIS. You know that Shep/Weir has more support than Shep/Teyla. It’s not even something you need to check every week. It’s there for everyone to see. There are at least three-four times as many Shep/Weir fans as Shep/Teyla fans.”
And the overwhelming popularity of Shep/McKay slash completely crushes any het pairing over on LiveJournal. Does that mean us slashers win this popularity contest and get our pairing featured on the show? No, I’d rather see the writers write for the show and not cater to the biggest or the loudest fan groups.
For every person who talks about their love for Shep/Weir I’ve seen more posting how utterly unappealing it is. The same holds true for any ship or slash. The only way to win is not to play.
Look at all the shippers and whumpers and thunkers on this blog pleading, making demands, and fighting with each other. The writers shouldn’t listen to these extreme fans, otherwise they send the message that this poor behavior will get fans what they want.
stereophonic said…
Look at all the shippers and whumpers and thunkers on this blog pleading, making demands, and fighting with each other. The writers shouldn’t listen to these extreme fans, otherwise they send the message that this poor behavior will get fans what they want.
Good point. It’s like dealing with small children… if you give into their tantrums, all you’re doing is teaching them that tantrums get them what they want and thereby encouraging them to have more tantrums! It’s not good for them in the long run! 😆
I like to think of you as Stargate fandom’s benevolent (if slightly despotic) parent figure, Joe, patiently dealing with the demands of a tribe of squabbling, over-excited children, bestowing wisdom with the one hand and a well-deserved sharp smack on the behind or two with the other when the kids get out of hand. 🙂
Mr.Mallozzi,
We saw a picture of Ben, Amanda, David, Joe, Jason (even Jason’s car :D)… Any of Claudia? :p
Boy Joe reading some of the comments on your blog I thought for a moment there that I had just entered the twilight zone for shippers. I personally think that the answer to all of your problems is just to slash all of the characters on both shows.
O.K. now lets see what the best way to do this would be. On SG1 we have to have Jack/Daniel and on SGA Shep/Mckay. However we don’t want to leave out Cam and Teal’c so maybe we should just have a foursome. And we don’t want to leave out Ronin either so…..
I mean if you had just left in that scene in the episode “200” instead of locking it away in a vault somewhere then Jack/Daniel would now be cannon – thank you Rick and Michael by the way for that – EVEN THOUGH WE WILL NEVER SEE IT!
Now lets not forget about the women too. I personally like Sam/Janet and Weir/Teyla although now that Sam is going to Atlantis we could have Sam/Teyla/Weir.
Yep I do believe that slashing is the answer to all of your problems. Works for me!!!!
I don’t normally like to ask a favor because I know that you are really busy but could you post a picture of Michael Shanks if you get the chance. I loved the pictures that you have posted so far of everyone but would love to see one of him too. I’m really looking forward to both movies and season 4 of Atlantis.
Take care and have a great weekend.
I’ll readily admit to having no interest in who got what technical award at whatever show, purely because I have no idea who they are, not because I don’t appreciate their efforts. But I’ve always suspected that such awards are more likely to go to deserving recipients than acting and directing awards, which often seem to me to be a combination of politics and a popularity contest.
I always really enjoy “Making Of” documentaries, episode/film commentaries and other backstage information and programs. It’s facinating to watch it all coming together and really shows how unglamorous films and tv shows are in reality, and consequently how hard people have to work to create the illusion. Those guys and gals all work hard to make not just the spectacular stuff but also the mundane backgrounds and set dressings which have to look realistic without distracting the viewer unnecessarily.
And do I spy with my little eye something that looks like it might be David Hewlett modelling the now infamous new Atlantis uniform leather jacket?
(Apologies to David if I’ve just suggested his new leather jacket looks like something Rodney would wear, although I can’t see how a mere apology could ever make up for a faux pas on that scale!)
Joe,
Now that filming is underway for Ark of Truth and Continuum, what can SG1 fans expect for after that? Are there other movies in the works? If so, what indicators are you all looking for from how AofT and C do that will push those next movies into production? (in other words…how many copies of the DVD do I have to go out and buy?!)
Thanks!
I’m jumping into the “ship” argument and calling for lots of Ronon/Teyla, because they are the only two people who really seem to actually LIKE each other.
Sheppard turned into a smart-ass man-whore so why the heck do we want to “ship” him with anyone? McKay thinks he is smarter than everyone, we don’t see Lorne or Zelenka nearly enough, and Beckett went poof in an exploding tumor.
So, who is left to put together in a believable, caring relationship? Ronon/Teyla, that’s the ticket.
*waves*
Hiya Joe, how are you today? I would like to pass on my heartfelt thanks to the behind the scenes peeps also. But if I may, I’m a little disappointed with the wardrobe department. They give Sheppard far too many layers of clothing, are there any vacancies opening up in that area by any chance? *begs pitifully* Remember Joe,you know hold the power to make these subtle but oh so effective changes. And in Sheppard’s case, less is always more….pleasing. :o)And we wouldn’t want him to become too hot in the Atlantis sun now, and suffer from heat stroke, would we? Although i’m sure the whumpers would love to see Sheppard all hot and sweaty with fever… *cough* thank goodness i’m not as sick as they are! *picks her halo off the floor* ;o)
So, we got an email today in work from our bosses in relation to clothes that are too revealing. Some people are so prudish when it comes to the human body. Personally, I see nothing wrong if an employee feels the need to take off their top. If they are comfortable with it, then i’m fine with that. So, given that Jason has gone shirtless, will we be seeing any more ‘diet coke break’ type of things happening on set *cough*Joe F*cough* and if so, can you please remember to take your camera next time. :o)
Thanking you so kindly Mr M you’re a very wise and kind man.
PS. Can you tell David that it’s nice to see he’s fully recovered from his stomache flu.
Anonymous said…
Sheppard turned into a smart-ass man-whore
Pleaase do share with us the evidence for your assessment of Sheppard as a “smart-ass man-whore”.
Cos, I don’t think you can be watching the same show that I am!
Any word on how season five is looking? What are you guys hearing?
Don’t be people who like to argue with each other on your blog annoy you? This happens with nearly all debatable subjects, even if I have a side there are others on the same side as me that I rather wish would keep their mouths closed and stop making our side look bad.
Anyway, I was wondering if you believe – in real life – that there is life on other planets?
All Shep/Weir shippers want at this point is Torri back full time, to have things as they were. You totally misread our intentions. I don’t see anyone attacking whumpers for posting things like “we want sweaty, naked, with no layers of clothing, bleeding Shep.” Watch boxing or wrestling for those things not a fairly decent scifi show. Those comments kind of creep me out. Reading posts about wanting a character to stay on the show full time interacting with other characters doesn’t in the least.
Sorry to interrupt your blog, Joe. But once more needs must. I really need to learn tolerance…maybe next year ;o)
stereophonic said…
Look at all the shippers and whumpers and thunkers on this blog pleading, making demands, and fighting with each other. The writers shouldn’t listen to these extreme fans, otherwise they send the message that this poor behavior will get fans what they want.
*cough*
For the record, I never demand, or plead or expect anything at all unless of course it involves seeing Sheppard, hot sweaty and nekkid while being whumped to oblivion. ;o)
I post because it’s fun, and hopefully it makes people laugh. Nothing more, nothing less. And for the record I expect absolutely nothing. Now a desire to see certain things, that is something entirely different *tries to keep her thoughts PG* :o) If I might make a recommendation? Don’t take things too seriously. When people are fighting about ship wars, demanding things and expecting something in return just because they post here? Ignore them if it winds you up. You’ll feel better for it.
Note to self: *looks up and reads her post* I must learn to take my own advice sometimes.
Sorry, Joe I promise to behave from this point on and will start demanding stuff tomorrow (as apparently I already do). And you should know that I expect everything that i’ve said to you this year to be included in Season 4 or I won’t be watching S5. [/sarcasm] Felt the need to clarify as there are people who would actually think I was being serious. *perishes the thought* ;o)
Thank you Mr M you’re a very wise and kind man.
Okay,
I’m going to ignore all the shipper, slash angst stuff others are posting.
I’d just like to say that I really appreciate the jobs everyone behind the scenes do. Without them there would be no sets, props, effects, animatronics, costumes, make-up, scripts, stunts, continuity, etc., etc..
I watch commentaries all the time. I also enjoy watching the technical awards whenever the networks deign to televise them.
All of these jobs (including the actors’ job) are hard work. I did some stage work (not that it can really be compared to camera work) ages ago in college and I remember how difficult it was. I remember running back and forth across the backstage in a crouch. Because, the raised and raked stage floor is only 4′ at the back and the steam “machine” you are carrying is a converted hand operated bug sprayer.
So, yeah. I’m one of those movie geeks that stays in the theater to watch every single credit roll. (And get annoyed with people who are leaving but have to stop in the middle of the theater to talk.)
I might not remember the names of everyone in the make-up department or all of the stunt players. But, I do appreciate their work very much.
YES, anonymous Ronon/Teyla is the way to go. They have chemistry and from what I’ve seen the anti-shippers don’t really seem to care if they get together. Of course I could be wrong. But they are cute and hot.
And the winner is…….
Okay, okay
As one of four people who make the owners of our small-ish company look VERY good…thanks for acknowledging the little people.
It’s nice to read the names of those who keep the ball rolling when the PTB are off … well, where ever it is they’re off to.
Anonymous said…
All Shep/Weir shippers want at this point is Torri back full time, to have things as they were. You totally misread our intentions. I don’t see anyone attacking whumpers for posting things like “we want sweaty, naked, with no layers of clothing, bleeding Shep.” Watch boxing or wrestling for those things not a fairly decent scifi show. Those comments kind of creep me out. Reading posts about wanting a character to stay on the show full time interacting with other characters doesn’t in the least.
So, you presume to speak for all Shep/Weir shippers? Okaaaay. Also, nice to see Anonymous – again. Wow, you certainly get around. Dont want to put a name to your post?
The thing is, and I can only speak for myself here, but, hello? This whumper is joking. I neither expect nor demand anything, and certainly don’t expect Joe to deliver the goods, so to speak! Well, perhaps I live in hope…
Seeing amusing posts here makes me laugh! I’m just having fun, and I suspect many others are too.
Having a sense of humour is pretty important in life… and something, unfortunately you don’t seem to have… don’t take things so literally!
Who wants to be serious all the time? Not me, for sure! Two words – CHILL OUT!
Sorry to hi-jack your blog again, Joe!
Gives us the update, Joe. How
many episodes will Torri be in?
Joe,
You’ve said in your interview that focus groups mean little to you, as do the droning on of certain online fans. However, I read an interview with an actor on Atlantis that said they had some feedback about ‘wanting to put him with a certain girl’ or about adding back more interaction between his and another male character.
Now, I’m not putting a question to you on this matter, since I really don’t believe you’d answer me directly, but I do think market research is a very important tool. I don’t think it should interfere with the direction of a show, or completely change TPTB’s vision of a show, but it is important.
Now, I’ve noticed that other shows on stations owned by NBC HAVE made changes based on market research. House, for example, is reportedly in the process of making casting changes based on a character which tested poorly with the show’s target audience. That said, I’m glad I’m not you, if you were to find yourself in such a situation. There’s no way to gracefully inform the many and diverse fans of your show the reasons behind such decisions, if this were the case, because many have a hard time believing that not everyone sees a character, or a pairing, or a storyline, as they do. They’d assault your blog with demands, insinuations, or insults or some such thing. Just saying.
My real question is this: I’ve noticed that the majority of people in the Characters and Relationships section of Gateworld are mostly female. Many have a ship preference, many more seem not to. I wonder how different the makeup of online fandom is with the target audience of a show like Atlantis? Or, in plainer termes, how far out of whack is online fandom with loyal viewers of the show who can’t be bothered to go online? Do you even know?
Thanks for taking the time to read my blathering. 🙂
Doing commentaries is not something just anyone can do well, obviously, but when you get the right person, it’s terrific to listen to.
Atlantis DVD commentaries: Martin Wood is the best, hands down. I watch TV differently after listening to his comments about making camera decisions and how he shoots things. He gives a lot of info about directing without being at all boring, and he does talk about the actors and other people involved. Martin Gero is also very good, as are David Hewlett and Joe Flanigan. I listen to all the commentaries, but if I see any of those guys listed, I know it will be good. I’ve only turned off a commentary mid-way twice. Once was the duo who’s already been flogged here more than once, and the other was two lovely people who talked about clothes, yoga and lattes and put me right to sleep. They are great in front of the camera, but please, keep them there, and off the commentaries.
The best commentary I ever listened to was Garry Marshall’s commentary on The Princess Diaries. It was just him, by himself, talking the whole 90 minutes or whatever, and it was great–funny, full of tidbits about the actors, and lots of behind-the-scenes info.
Okay, the wine is chilling, the salsa has been made, and now I’ve got to go get the chicken cooked for the chicken nachos. SciFi Friday!!
Hi, Joe!
I’ve been wondering- how do you actually do the audio commentaries? How long does it take? I love the commentaries on the DVDs, even the ones that Peter DeLuise does -actually he is one of my favorites.
And thank you for the pictures. Thank you! for the one with Ben Browder!
Anonymous said…
But seriously. So many Torri and/or Shep/Weir fans have said that they’ll watch her four episodes of season four and no more. You’re voluntarily losing fans, and I don’t understand why you’d want to do that. These people aren’t being vindictive when they say that they won’t watch. They’re stating a fact. They’re losing their favourite character and/or favourite element of the show (in their perceived ship)
I did downgrade SG1 from “must see” to “well if there’s nothing else on” when Doc Frasier was offed. //
i know the feeling…
for *me*, i’m sooo tired of waiting for the sam/jack resolution… i saw YEARS of promoting and progressing it, only for it to not only be stopped, but for sam to almost be shipped with other guys (talking about the last two seasons).
what is so bloody wrong with wanting to see how this storyline came out!?! 🙁
i know this is going to sound childish, but i’m not expecting much for the first sg1 movie (just more of a storyline and character focus i didn’t enjoy in s9/10), but the second movie… if there’s not an s/j resolution, i won’t be *buying* it. and if i don’t, will i be hurting the movie franchise? i might not be enjoying sg1 that much as it is, but at least i’m not having to pay for it. now… why should i support something i’m not really enjoying anymore?
ppl that aren’t having probs with things right now should try to understand ppl that are. or at least, don’t diss on them because you’re not losing your number one fave character and/or storyline. if you can’t relate, then how can you be judging?
sally :/
As one of the people who works behind the scenes (in theatre not TV) I don’t mind when the public don’t recognise what you do…. in fact if they don’t notice anything it often means you have done a better job!
It always amazes me that the public that come to see the shows never wonder how we have a different show on every night of the week. They are always surprised on the tours when they are told that there are about 30 crew in to turn around the set every day….. I wonder how they think we do it (magic scenery elves?!)!
I find it more important that you and your department have the respect of the other people working in the industry. Also it is satisfying when a designer or director is pleased with the work you have done for them.
I don’t really care about what the actors say, the majority of them who say bad things have no clue about what goes on outside of their little world. The good actors appreciate what we do and they respect us as much as we respect them.
When I first started working in theatre I really appreciated it when a director took the time to know my name… even if i was just making the tea! Its stupid, but its little things like that that make a difference.
Mainly I work hard, so that I can feel I did the best I could with the job, even if no one appreciated it at least I know I did the best I could.
P.S. I love the audio commentaries! For Atlantis they should have 2 versions –
Version 1. with Martin Gero, David Hewlett, and Joe Flannigan – because they are so funny!
Version 2. with Martin Wood and someone from each of the technical departments – for the less funny version but with all the interesting technical details!
Gotta agree that Martin Wood is probably my all-time favourite to have on commentaries – he provides so much interesting information both on the technical and artistic aspects of filming (not only how they got a shot but why they chose to do it that way), on the sets, one the people involved (both behind and in front of the camera), on changes that were made, on the actors and the decisions on how a scene was to be played, on bloopers or scenes that were cut etc etc etc etc – *and* he’s darned funny and entertaining in the process!
My favourite commentaries are the ones with both the Martins and either (or both) of David Hewlett and Joe Flanigan. Those commentaries strike the perfect balance of informative and entertaining.
Hi Joe,
First let me say cool dogs! I’ve read a couple of your blogs lately. I noticed that on one of your pictures you posted yesterday it contained the concept picture of the Atlantis stargate and not the real Atlantis stargate. I can not find a decent picture of that concept Atlantis gate. Could you help me perhaps with this?
Well, congrats to “the Bradster” for snatching up that WGC award!
Up next: a “Possessed Chef” award for Joe’s mom for inventing “lean fats” 😉