“Throughout my career, I’ve been dismayed by the contempt some genre executives have held for fans, routinely underestimating their power to make or break a show. I’ve watched this repeat too many times, across too many shows, to be talking about any single one of them. Yet despite the mounting evidence over the past few years, they continue to dismiss the data, repeating the same miscalculations time and again.

But technology has rewritten the rules, and the power dynamics are shifting. Today’s fans are organized, strategic, and highly data-literate – effectively turning the platforms’ own metrics against them.

As the bets get bigger and the audience grows sharper, it will be fascinating to see how this plays out.”

I posted this on X last night.  This morning, I received the following response from my friend Jenny Stiven:

“Could not agree more!! Besides being a fan myself of multiple franchises, it is, literally, my career.

I am gobsmacked at the number of times I still have the argument with execs, agents, distributors about the importance of transparency, relationship building, and just spending the time with fans.

The shift has already happened.

Markiplier’s movie, Obsession, Back Rooms have proven fans hold the power.

The execs holding onto old studio system morés and antiquated decision making rules will be left behind.

The irony here is that my feeling is that the execs take-away from He-Man, Back Rooms, etc., is the wrong one. Instead of understanding the power shift TO fans, they decided that ”old IP” was the problem.”

Venture Pictures asked:

“What do you think was the driving motivator behind these shifts? My own theory is quick profits over nurturing a fanbase as a cash grab and kudus whilst still in a job they may not be in in 1 years time.  

Similar to how the music industry was gutted in the 90s to a point with the conveyer belt of artists through agencies. lol.

Do they see long term fans as a liability to remove? Ha”

Jenny’s response:

“In my very humble and small part of the universe opinion, the fan power shift happened because Gen X aged into positions of power, then fanbases grew for the simple reason we have more generations alive than ever before, and of course, the internet.

As my friends know, I could go on forever about the evolution of digital fanbases, but I think your question was about the internal entertainment exec shift?

Yes, money is always at least part of the equation, but unfortunately I believe the bigger reason is presumptive arrogance. I have heard all the “explanations” over the years.

  • Fans will always show for this franchise! We don’t need to do more!
  • There is an existing fanbase that is spending, let’s cash in, they will buy anything with XXX IP on it!
  • Why would we spend money on building a relationship? We just need them for the release/streaming/bingeing window.

And so many more absolutely dismissive conclusions – backed by manipulation of the data. Anyone can read into fan data (there are 1 million approx views! even after 15 years…they will show up for anything Stargate!) the point needed.

There are, however, more and more creators, producers, writers who are nurturing their fanbase, and doing right by their fans. More of us now than the old school.

I wish the Stargate property was with an entity that treasured the fans, not just the IP. There are still people at Amazon who believe in the fanbase, just need to reach them.”

What do you all think?  Are fans the fans the equivalents of mindless zombies who will watch whatever the execs tell them to watch?

Finally, check this out.  My own action figure, compliments of SGAGatebuilder on X!

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  1. Cristina Graziella Avatar
    Cristina Graziella

    Fans are indispensable. Imagine football, soccer,hockey without fans! No entertainment or sports industry functions without fans. NBA? Formula 1? What about music? Grammy? Billboard? Hollywood star system? Box Office? It’s all about fans. No television would throw away an already made audience deriving from fandoms and people in contact with fans. Having fans mean not starting from zero. It’s difficult to guess the real reason that caused the cancellation, but I doubt the fan explanation. Anyway, I joined the fan petitions promoted through Dial the Gate ( David and Darren).At least, I can show my support.

  2. Cristina Graziella Avatar
    Cristina Graziella

    Of one thing I’m sure: Whatever has been created by Joseph Mallozzi, Martin and their team in the Writers’ Room is a magnet for present and future fans all over the world. Stargate has no age. It is for ever young!!!

  3. I hope those big suits at Amazon who believe Stargate’s revival & helmed by Martin Gero etc. can “overthrow” bigger suits who are against it 🤞🏼 If not then Apple to rescue by placing new show to AppleTv+ library. Of course Apple gotta get rid of that 7d free trial so people can’t take advantage of it like been for years. Apple would gain thousands of new subbers & i bet current subbers there (me included) would stream it.

    Those who dislike Apple products wouldn’t need to get them as just install AppleTv+ to smart-telly, register & that’s it. I hope you & rest of the crew keep everything that’s written (also concept art etc.) so far in safe place 🙂 AppleTv+ is a Sci-Fi paradise.. I’ve been subber there for years with no regrets. Yes i have also Prime Sub for years & it’s only that 7,5€/m with no ads. AppleTv+ has goodies like For All Mankind, Foundation, Monarch: Legacy of Monsters, Silo, Murderbot, Invasion & more.

  4. I wonder how does one become an executive? Maybe we need fans or writers (hint hint) to become executives. 🤔 I still can’t believe some of the shows over the years that got canceled and were still popular.

  5. Jenny’s comments, especially the “explanations” she lists, rings true to me. Mainly because I’ve made those same explanations about the recent Stargate project cancellation.

    “The fans will watch whatever the studio produces, so why go to the effort to pander to them?” I said. “There’s not enough fans to carry the new show, it must appeal to new audiences first and foremost,” I also said.

    But there’s nuance there. I use Star Trek as the prime example. It has a massive fan base. Much bigger that Stargate’s. And it has reinvented itself many times over the years. From a failed ’60s TV show to successful theatrical releases, to a revamped, modernised, wildly popular TV show revival that spawned two spinoffs. Then a reasonably successful prequel series. And more theatrical success. Most importantly, though, is that they were respectful to the canon and they were respectful to the fans. As a result, they held on to existing fans and garnered a lot more new fans.

    Then there was a hiatus where there was no new Trek for a while. The fans were still there but interest had waned. The shows had mostly run their course. Then JJ Abrams came along and rebooted it. Again, he was respectful to the fans, but not afraid to shake up the canon a bit, all the while ensuring that it was accessible to new people who had never seen Trek before. My sister counts herself as one of those. Never seen an episode of Trek but loved the Abrams movies.

    And then after another hiatus we got “modern” Trek. With Discovery they start off as a prequel but really mess with existing canon and they pretty much completely ignored the fans. There was little to connect Discovery with the previous shows and movies that we’d loved. Then Discovery is blasted into the far future and disconnects us even more from our beloved shows. And that’s where I left the show. It was not the Trek I knew and not the Trek I wanted.

    Strange New Worlds, on the other hand, nailed the fan service. While playing a little loose with canon, fans could ignore that because this was the Trek that they wanted! Fun, campy, a little tongue in cheek, not taking itself too seriously. There were some familiar characters and lots of new ones. Instant fan favourite but also very accessible to new viewers.

    Star Trek Picard had a rocky start. It should have been a sure fire hit. Jean-Luc Picard, arguably Trek’s greatest captain, returns for a new show. He brings with him a massive fan base. Guaranteed viewership. But I think they were worried about the show’s ability to attract new viewers. While the show stayed true to canon, there was little fan service in the first season. We had Picard and the story was a continuation of events that had happened in the previous movies but there was little else to connect us to the previous shows and movies. They did better in Season 2 and nailed it in Season 3 but by that time they’d lost more viewers that they’d gained.

    So, back to my original comments, a new Stargate show must walk the line where it meets fans’ expectations while also being accessible to new viewers. Fans matter. If the fans don’t like it they will be very vocal. They’re not just chatting away in their own private bubble in r/Stargate on Reddit. They’re talking to their family and friends about how disappointed or excited they are about the new show. They’re sitting down with their kids to introduce them to a show they loved when they were their kids’ age.

    In this digital age good news travels at the speed of sound but bad news travels at the speed of light. If you don’t make a show that fans love then they will make sure potential new fans hear about their displeasure. Fans matter.

    TL;DR: To make a successful revival of an existing IP you need three things:

    It needs to be respectful to what has come before it. You don’t have to be a slave to canon but you need to be aware of it and not change it too much. You’re in an existing universe that has rules. They can be bent but they should never be broken.
    It needs to give just enough fan service to trigger that Leonardo DiCaprio pointing meme. This isn’t just about returning characters or mentioning events from previous episodes, it’s about maintaining the “vibe” of the show. The humour, the drama, the style. Again, it doesn’t need to be slavish to what has come before but it needs to be respectful. SG:Atlantis = Good. SG:Universe = Not Good. SG:Origins = WTF!!!!
    It needs a good story. No amount of adherence to canon and fan service will help you if you’ve got a bad story. The story needs to be able to stand alone. If you can remove all references to Stargate from your story and still have a plot and characters that work then it doesn’t matter about anything else. Old and new fans will love it. Tying it into existing IP will bring an instant fan base, but having a good story will attract new people and keep them.

    Wow. I didn’t mean to ramble on for so long. I hope some of it made sense!

    1. Joseph Mallozzi Avatar
      Joseph Mallozzi

      This is a great ramble!

  6. Jane Woollestone Avatar
    Jane Woollestone

    I loved Discovery and Picard and I love Strange New Worlds… but I know that I won’t like the last episode… (Pike’s future…)

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